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"1) Who leaves their racing seatbelts outside continuously?"




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For one thing.. it would have to be a rag top or a
altered dragster... and I dont know of any guy that
thinks of their race car like a piece of trash to
be UNCOVERED OUTSIDE... the sunlight is what I THINK
they are concerned with... but maybe just rot.. JMO
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in reality they should take 100 pair of nasty looking
5 year old belts and give them the SAME test..
show the data

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What does factory cars have to do with ANYTHING........

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Clearly you are unaware that NHRA has waived certain rules for 2008 and up vehicles.

I have to have a rollbar in my GTX to run low 11's but Hellcats are exempt till 9.99

"Unaltered 2008 OEM model year and newer production cars running slower than 9.99 and 135 mph do not have to meet the requirements and specifications for the Summit Racing Series except for the following: Convertibles and T-tops must meet Summit Racing Series Roll Bar and Roll Cage requirements, All drivers must meet the Summit Racing Series Helmet and Protective Clothing requirements.”

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Fairly certain if I had to choose i'd rather wreck a 2008+ newer model car on the strip over my own stuff with a rollcage and harnesses. I'd bet I walk away with less injuries.

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I'm fairly certain I would rather roll my Arrow at 150 than a Hellcat with no bars.....just my

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FWIW the rule on the 2008 and newer cars is for 100% STOCK UNMODIFIED cars. Of course it is up to the individual track to check and enforce that. So technically if you install a tuner, aftermarket air filter or exhaust you would not be allowed to violate any of the ET rules. Just sayin..

Al, not trying to stir the pot, but isn't this rule just for the chassis/body? I didn't check it recently, but I thought that's what it said. Not that a Hellcat would need modified.

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FWIW the rule on the 2008 and newer cars is for 100% STOCK UNMODIFIED cars. Of course it is up to the individual track to check and enforce that. So technically if you install a tuner, aftermarket air filter or exhaust you would not be allowed to violate any of the ET rules. Just sayin..

Al, not trying to stir the pot, but isn't this rule just for the chassis/body? I didn't check it recently, but I thought that's what it said. Not that a Hellcat would need modified.

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The way I read the rule its as Al said.... STOCK
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Shame on you Monte trying to put down a Real Racer who races weekly most of the time,when your car has not been running since the "Roaring 60's"! Racing now is not the same as it was back in the "Roaring 60's" LOL

PS Yea its real easy when you do not have a race car or one fast enough to need BS like the 2 year belt rules to set back and tell people what they do and don't need to buy.If $$$ is no object to you and you think we really need them so bad why do all of you not buy a set of belts and take them to the Track to be give out to the ones of us who you think should have them?

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What does ANY of that have to do with the fact that you CHOOSE to do something that you KNOW is unsafe and some how think that makes you look good. If YOU don't care about your OWN safety enough, to at least wear a damn jacket, do you think the guy in the other lane would think that you had any regard for HIS safety...........just a question.

You keep telling us about all this stuff you do to keep your stuff top notch, buy the best of the best and so forth, yet blatantly thumb your nose at the rules. Every pic you post and every statement you make, just enforces my point about a lot of these rules being in place to attempt to protect racers from themselves.........so carry on doing it "your way". Your fellow racers thank you for your support..........LOL!!!

Monte

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Monte,are you "Jealous"? What the Hell do you care about the Rules anyway your cars has not run since the Roaring 60's?You can't even afford to get your race car up and race worthy to race and yet you set back and judge the ones of us who do race.
Get your Race Car running good enough for you to win races and then tell us and show us pictures of all the latest greatest SFI useless BS you have on your car!Because after you spend all of your hard earned $$$ to get your car race ready and NHRA adds something else for you to have to buy.....you are going to be Bitching just like the rest of us.Monte I already know you will repeat what you have been saying for years,you have more important better things to do with your $$$ than finish up your race car.....we have just as important things as you to spend our $$$ and it does not include buying a bunch of useless crap!
Yet still you dare to look down your nose at us because we do not buy what you or someone else who has no $$$ invested in our cars and I am Happy to repeat again while your car has not run since the "Roaring 60's"

As for me I will spend my $$$ on Go Fast Parts and instead of worrying about what someone else does or does not have on their car I will be focusing on how to beat them on the race track.
We need to be focusing on how to get more people out on the Race Tracks to help our dying Sport not how to keep people off the Race Track!

PS The Track owners and my fellow racers who do the same as me must not think I am breaking any rules or doing anything unsafe or they would not let me race! Are you saying everyone else but you is wrong?

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No Billy.......I'm not saying everybody else is wrong.......I am saying YOU are wrong. If you think it is perfectly acceptable to drive a 4 sec dragster, with no jacket, no gloves, presumably no fire pants or fire shoes(but I can't tell in pic)and no arm restraints.....then there is no need for us to continue, because your idea of what is "safe" and mine are two entirely different things. But I guess since the track "LETS" you do it....it's all good right...........well carry on brother, you're looking good here................LOL!!

And for clarification, my car is a 69........I bought it in the 80s and raced it until 2001. I was 7 at the end of the "roaring 60s", so I don't know much about that.

Monte

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Yeah cause this has NEVER been brought up before

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Yeah cause this has NEVER been brought up before

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The guys on this site would argue about free lottery tickets!

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Yeah cause this has NEVER been brought up before

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The guys on this site would argue about free lottery tickets!

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I know right???..........but sometimes it is just to see what kind of crazy shizzit somebody is going to say and I haven't been disappointed........LOL!!!

It's like a train wreck.....you know you should look away, but you just can't..........LOL

Monte

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now you know why my dart is parked and I race the other 2 cars

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NHRA is like Comcast, they don't care about you. Either play by their rules or go somewhere else....Oh wait IHRA has the same rules!

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Oh I play by the rules but that doesn't mean I have to like it and stand in line like the rest of the sheep. I'm not a team car like some members and do all of my own maintenance and purchases so its more of a pain in the butt issue than it is money. Charge me 20 dollars more for a BETTER product and extend it to 5 years. Where I worked as a Millwright for 33 years we were continually striving for better products at lower costs. We too would have never made it thru the 80's and would have closed shop like many other steel mills. Think about it.

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NHRA is like Comcast, they don't care about you. Either play by their rules or go somewhere else....Oh wait IHRA has the same rules!

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Actually NHRA is like the Federal Govt....they know what is best for you....

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NHRA is like Comcast, they don't care about you. Either play by their rules or go somewhere else....Oh wait IHRA has the same rules!

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History is full of examples of this kind of blind arrogant thinking, right to the end, and most are now kaput, bankrupt, long gone, forgotten, inconsequential, surpassed, out foxed, beat, buried, closed, etc. It just takes time

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Google sfi and see exactly who makes up the foundation

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I did look up the testing specs but frankly they are vague.

SFI claims the thread used in race belts degrades and loses half its breaking strength in one year when continuously exposed to *outdoor exposure*.

1) Who leaves their racing seatbelts outside continuously?

2) There is no breaking strength listed just percentage. So how many pounds of force were required to break the belts? Is it still greater the human body can withstand? No data is provided.

I'd be of the opinion the testing is flawed since no one I'm aware of leaves seat belts continuously outside (this is SFI's terminology not mine) and if the thread is an issue then by god I'd spend extra for some thread that isn't junk.

Has anyone EVER seen a broken race belt? I have seen cars picked up with decades old passenger car belts.

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I'll let you guys imagine how much fun it is to change belts in a ride as tight as the Arrow..

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I hear ya. Its not like we have 5 guys on our race teams like some guys.