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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: rickraw]
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01/20/15 08:09 PM
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YEP, and they say we need new belts every 2 years. LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYQx5pDRHp8Who was the "big name" racer that wrecked locking up their brakes last year and nothing was done about it. 
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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01/20/15 09:05 PM
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Let's say the NHRA acquiesced to your demands and lengthened the replacement period to 5 years and then a horrific accident happened and a 4-year-old belt failed killing the driver. The lawyers would be all over it.
Whenever the word "safety" is involved, any backward change to existing rules invites litigation when the SHTF.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: BuckeyeBrawler]
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01/20/15 09:56 PM
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That is the worst of it, when you spend hard earned dollars on the required equipment and then it's not even checked. Really ! Here's your tech card a great tech inspection.
Really that's the worst of it??? I would be more concerned about others not being checked for their mechanical safety requirements. My stuff is up to spec and I don't require a pat on the head telling me what a good boy I am.
Those that don't wear the proper safety gear, well your just playing with fire and for the most part I don't care, but your indiscretion will effect others in the event of a mishap.
BTW...Monte, Darwin and I got your back on this one
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: CHAPPER]
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01/20/15 10:32 PM
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After every race I pull the body panels off both my dragster and wash and clean and check everything on the dragster,and do as much possible on our door cars I make sure everything is right week-week.And don't need no daymn inspector or any one else to find any thing on my cars and they won't because I check them myself.Now for the ones of you who are to lazy or lack the knowledge to check your own cars that needs other people to check their cars to find flaws,they need to either hire them somebody to do it for them on a race-race bases or quit racing,because you are the ones that's endangering the rest of us racers thinking just because they buy all the NHRA mandated parts there is no need to check anything else!
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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01/21/15 01:01 AM
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I didn't sign the petition. Frankly, there are too many spelling and grammatical errors in the statement to take it seriously.
Through my limited experience, it's pretty clear to me that you need money to be in this sport and probably a lot of it to be successful. Nobody bats an eye when you buy a new go-fast trinket. So in the grand scheme of things, factoring in what amounts to a small percentage of your overall racing budget on safety requirements seems like a reasonable tradeoff.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: cudaman1969]
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01/21/15 01:35 AM
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It's been stripped of anything he could salvage to go into his new 68 Camaro Roadster.
Funny car cage keeps you in when the belts brake right? Opps no cage. Like a helmet will save your life when crashing a mortocycle at 100 mph
Rickster
They had to cut the cage off to get Tom out (he's a huge guy) his belts kept him from being tossed around inside the cage.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: RMCHRGR]
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01/21/15 01:41 AM
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I don't get it. I'm not interested in ending up in a wheelchair blowing spit bubbles or 6 feet under, because a part failed or a mistake was made that caused a mishap. I want to take advantage of every opportunity that modern technology, science, research, and hard lessons can provide to prevent that from happening. If you want to race in a T-shirt and flip flops, if the factory belts in your car are good enough, if all these rules are BS and a money grab, why not opt out and just go street race?
The first person who says "It's dangerous" is gonna look pretty silly.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: camastomcat]
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01/21/15 02:23 PM
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I am sceptical about a re-cert every 2 years, but with everything I spend on my equipment, another $65 to have my belts done, is nothing.
For me.. and in my opinion, its not the amount of money I have to spend every two years.. its hassle to order, install, forget, having tech fail you because you forgot.. rip them out, order again.. wait for shipping.. re-install and then worrying about having to rinse and repeat next time..
I would be happy to pay $200-$300-$400 for a 5-year re-cert, just to avoid having to go thru this..
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: gdonovan]
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01/21/15 05:29 PM
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I have an out of date, $200 set of Simpson belts here, that have been down the track twice. 2 runs. Simpson won't do re-certs. I'm still not going to gripe about the rule.
If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
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Re: Petition to change seat-belt rule from 2 to 5 years.
[Re: gdonovan]
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01/21/15 05:48 PM
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A $150 set of belts over 2 years works out to a cost of about $1.56 a week.
I look at it different- Due to work I get to go to the track (which is three hours away) once a year so it works out to $75 extra a year to make a single outing.
So.. two trips to the track and my belts which see daylight a few days a year are rubbish? Does this make any sense to anyone with a lick of common sense?
Frankly, that's not SFIs problem......its yours. What about the guy that makes over a 1000 runs a year and his dragster sits in the sun for 3 days every weekend while he is making those runs.........not to mention the constant pulling and tugging on those belts all those times. Are his belts still "perfect" after 2 years?.......maybe, maybe not. How "used" is strictly a judgement call and likely one that not many would trust to an average tech guy. In todays society, a guy crashes, belts fail, he dies. Litigation is going to say "well (insert name here) tech guy said belts were OK"........"his bad judgement, caused this guys death". Now while that COULD still happen with the current two year rule, what you are trying to do is take a "judgement call" on belt condition out of the equation. And for THAT reason alone......the two year rule is NOT going away
Most relate this rule to THEIR belts and the condition they are in after two years. Unfortunately, the condition of YOUR belts is of no concern. So, was the "testing" done on a "worst scenario" type condition.......yes, highly probable. But THAT is the conditions you have to base rules on, because obviously it could happen
Lets relate this to some recent NASCAR rulings. Guys have been crashing CUP cars HARD for 60 years and walking away without a scratch. Then we had a FEW basil skull fractures and guys died, notably Earnhardt. So NOW belt mounting practices are highly inspected and head and neck restraints are required, as well as full face helmets. I'm sure many were NOT happy with the helmet and neck restraint rules........but NASCAR is trying to be preventative and so is NHRA. Is it partially to cover their own azz.........well of course it is.........but it is also because, threat of litigation aside, NHRA does NOT want people hurt. Safety rules, as much as some want to argue about it, are NOT in place just to cost you money
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