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It more or less comes down to who you are and if they want you to come to there Track and race.The small tracks have to operate like the Big Time NHRA Tracks.Think about it they are not gonna throw JFR or DSR out if they bend the rules a little!
If no racers show up at the track to race,just how long are they going to stay in business?People sit back and tell us Racers nobody cares what we think or do,well if all of us stick together and do not race at there Tracks unless they have a Big NHRA or IHRA race to keep them in business with 15-20 cars showing up each week to race they go belly up!It has already been proven the Tracks can not only stay in business with just racers and only a hand full of spectators but do just fine.If they pack the stands with spectators and have no racers,things do not go very well for them.
I can not speak for anyone other than myself,but I am only going to race at the Tracks were they come up and tell me they are Glad to see me and Happy to have me there.Not some where where they think they are doing me a favor by letting me be there and want me to jump through hoops to please them.

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So are you saying we should only race at some marginal, backwater track where we know the tech guys who let you slide? Just inferring that but that's kind of what it sounds like. Correct me if I am wrong.

Of course, NHRA cares about image and attendance at their events but not at the expense bodily harm or fatalities to their racers caused by compromised safety equipment.

Also, comparing weekend warrior/sportsman racers to an operation like Force or DSR is silly. Would you get into a Top Fuel car with out of date belts? I wouldn't. I bet they change harnesses and belts pretty often.

Regardless, those guys are subject to the rules just like everyone else. They can either comply or not but my guess is that it would be very costly for them NOT to be in compliance.

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Does this look like a marginal back water track to you?This is one of not just the Best Tracks in the South but the nation!Like I said its the Racer you are that dictates what you can & can't do.

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How could we tell ANYTHING about the track in question, from THAT tiny pic.........other than the fact that tech and safety take a back seat there, because they are allowing you to race a dragster with a t-shirt and no gloves. Or are you saying because of "who you are" they let you by with this.........Either way, sounds pretty "back water" to me............But I will take a shot......Montgomery?

And if that IS Montgomery......while a decent track, it is far from one of the nicest tracks in the nation. You need to get out more...............LOL!!!..........but Jackie DOES plant pretty flowers there..........LOL!!!

Monte

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Shame on you Monte trying to put down a Real Racer who races weekly most of the time,when your car has not been running since the "Roaring 60's"! Racing now is not the same as it was back in the "Roaring 60's" LOL

PS Yea its real easy when you do not have a race car or one fast enough to need BS like the 2 year belt rules to set back and tell people what they do and don't need to buy.If $$$ is no object to you and you think we really need them so bad why do all of you not buy a set of belts and take them to the Track to be give out to the ones of us who you think should have them?

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What does factory cars have to do with ANYTHING........

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Clearly you are unaware that NHRA has waived certain rules for 2008 and up vehicles.

I have to have a rollbar in my GTX to run low 11's but Hellcats are exempt till 9.99

"Unaltered 2008 OEM model year and newer production cars running slower than 9.99 and 135 mph do not have to meet the requirements and specifications for the Summit Racing Series except for the following: Convertibles and T-tops must meet Summit Racing Series Roll Bar and Roll Cage requirements, All drivers must meet the Summit Racing Series Helmet and Protective Clothing requirements.”

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Fairly certain if I had to choose i'd rather wreck a 2008+ newer model car on the strip over my own stuff with a rollcage and harnesses. I'd bet I walk away with less injuries.

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It more or less comes down to who you are and if they want you to come to there Track and race.The small tracks have to operate like the Big Time NHRA Tracks.Think about it they are not gonna throw JFR or DSR out if they bend the rules a little!
If no racers show up at the track to race,just how long are they going to stay in business?People sit back and tell us Racers nobody cares what we think or do,well if all of us stick together and do not race at there Tracks unless they have a Big NHRA or IHRA race to keep them in business with 15-20 cars showing up each week to race they go belly up!It has already been proven the Tracks can not only stay in business with just racers and only a hand full of spectators but do just fine.If they pack the stands with spectators and have no racers,things do not go very well for them.
I can not speak for anyone other than myself,but I am only going to race at the Tracks were they come up and tell me they are Glad to see me and Happy to have me there.Not some where where they think they are doing me a favor by letting me be there and want me to jump through hoops to please them.

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So are you saying we should only race at some marginal, backwater track where we know the tech guys who let you slide? Just inferring that but that's kind of what it sounds like. Correct me if I am wrong.

Of course, NHRA cares about image and attendance at their events but not at the expense bodily harm or fatalities to their racers caused by compromised safety equipment.

Also, comparing weekend warrior/sportsman racers to an operation like Force or DSR is silly. Would you get into a Top Fuel car with out of date belts? I wouldn't. I bet they change harnesses and belts pretty often.

Regardless, those guys are subject to the rules just like everyone else. They can either comply or not but my guess is that it would be very costly for them NOT to be in compliance.

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Does this look like a marginal back water track to you?This is one of not just the Best Tracks in the South but the nation!Like I said its the Racer you are that dictates what you can & can't do.

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How could we tell ANYTHING about the track in question, from THAT tiny pic.........other than the fact that tech and safety take a back seat there, because they are allowing you to race a dragster with a t-shirt and no gloves. Or are you saying because of "who you are" they let you by with this.........Either way, sounds pretty "back water" to me............But I will take a shot......Montgomery?

And if that IS Montgomery......while a decent track, it is far from one of the nicest tracks in the nation. You need to get out more...............LOL!!!..........but Jackie DOES plant pretty flowers there..........LOL!!!

Monte

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Shame on you Monte trying to put down a Real Racer who races weekly most of the time,when your car has not been running since the "Roaring 60's"! Racing now is not the same as it was back in the "Roaring 60's" LOL

PS Yea its real easy when you do not have a race car or one fast enough to need BS like the 2 year belt rules to set back and tell people what they do and don't need to buy.If $$$ is no object to you and you think we really need them so bad why do all of you not buy a set of belts and take them to the Track to be give out to the ones of us who you think should have them?

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Like I said its the Racer you are that dictates what you can & can't do.

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Like I said its the Racer you are that dictates what you can & can't do.

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That's presumptuous.

Again, the pros are subject to rules just like lower level racers, probably more so than you even realize. Do you think the Top Fuel or Pro Stock teams are trying to save a few bucks by skimping on belts? Do you think they hand the tech guys a 100 bucks and say, aww let me slide this time... right.

Listen, everybody has their own ideas about what's best for them and racers especially never like being told how they should do things. We know that.

BUT, the one area that no one in their right mind would want to show blatant disregard for is safety. Last time I checked, nobody earns points, gets a trophy or a payout for dismissing safety requirements.

But let's say you do wreck and/or get hurt, die or hurt someone else and it's found to be due to blatant negligence. You'd get plenty of recognition for that!

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PLEASE don't take this wrong but did you ever BUY a set of seat belts? It says your car runs 12.20's so I'm just kinda wonder where your input is coming from.

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PLEASE don't take this wrong but did you ever BUY a set of seat belts? It says your car runs 12.20's so I'm just kinda wonder where your input is coming from.

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Also as Monte has pointed out numerous times this IS NOT an NHRA thing. It is SFI who set the standards not NHRA contrary to popular belief. But feel free to go ahead and continue to beat this dead horse to a pulp..

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FWIW the rule on the 2008 and newer cars is for 100% STOCK UNMODIFIED cars. Of course it is up to the individual track to check and enforce that. So technically if you install a tuner, aftermarket air filter or exhaust you would not be allowed to violate any of the ET rules. Just sayin..

Also as Monte has pointed out numerous times this IS NOT an NHRA thing. It is SFI who set the standards not NHRA contrary to popular belief. But feel free to go ahead and continue to beat this dead horse to a pulp..

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Ok.. so maybe this should have been sent to the SFI
group.. but NHRA, IHRA or many others DONT have to
agree with their total package.. I would be MORE THAN
HAPPY to buy the belts every 2 years IF SFI could
PROVE to me any MANY OTHERS that a 5 years old set
of belts will fail at ANY HIGHER RATE than a 2 year
old set of belts... which are already throw away belts..
JUST HAVE THEM SHOW FACTS... pretty simple for us
peasants.... we can deal with FACT.. I know from
testing that I use to do... they cant in fact prove it..

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What is frosting most is IMO, its not the cost, its the lack of logic, fairness, data, etc to back up the claim for 2 years re cert.

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It is SFI who set the standards not NHRA contrary to popular belief.

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What is frosting most is IMO, its not the cost, its the lack of logic, fairness, data, etc to back up the claim for 2 years re cert.

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That may or may not be true but SFI doesn't need to put asses in the seats, NHRA does. If race belts are failing (which I can't recall a case) in such a short period of time perhaps we should be outside belt manufacture facilities with pitchforks and torches. Clearly we are being sold junk.

The fact that NHRA will blatantly allow a Hellcat or Shelby Mustang or Corvette to run without safety equipment mandatory for everyone else speaks volumes.

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We have a bunch of Nay Sayers on here who are saying there is nothing we can do.......To them I say BS if we bow down and do everything we are told,then and only thing will there be nothing we can do.I say the petition is a good place to start voicing our opinions and if they turn a "Deaf Ear" to our petition...then we need to take it to the next step.What we don't need to do that so many Americans are doing today is give up and let others control our lives!If all of us Racers stick together NHRA & IHRA and the rest of the tracks have but 2 choices give us what we want or close the tracks!With that being said I think we do have a say.

PS I'm tried of some Clown Salesman sitting behind a computer thinking up useless things that are not needed to pad their pockets off us Racers!

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I would like to know who is on the board or committee of SFI that makes these rules. Do they have something to gain with the two year rule? I would gladly donate my two year belts to test against new ones to see where the failure point is.

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