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440 Source Stealth and Stealth CNC...How fast? #1730881
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I'm curious of any ET and MPH numbers on cars running the 440 Source Stealth or CNC Stealth Heads. I'm especially curious of stroked 440 combos, but standard stroke information is welcomed as well. Dyno information is great too. I'll let you know what mine runs this spring.

Re: 440 Source Stealth and Stealth CNC...How fast? [Re: Tommy D] #1730882
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Re: 440 Source Stealth and Stealth CNC...How fast? [Re: Biginchmopar] #1730883
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3700 pound race weight. 3800 RPM converter. 4.30 gears. M and H Racemaster street slicks. Super Stock springs...for now. 11:1 Compression. .575 lift, .262 @50. Six pack induction. Tan interior!

Re: 440 Source Stealth and Stealth CNC...How fast? [Re: Tommy D] #1730884
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440 plus over bore . details in signature .
went 10.99 on cleaned up stealths , 10.88 with CNC stealths . little solid ft cam , 258@050 - 540 gross lift .10.75ish:1 , 5000 vert , 4.1 s60 , 275 radials .


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Re: 440 Source Stealth and Stealth CNC...How fast? [Re: Tommy D] #1730885
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3700 pound race weight. 3800 RPM converter. 4.30 gears. M and H Racemaster street slicks. Super Stock springs...for now. 11:1 Compression. .575 lift, .262 @50. Six pack induction. Tan interior!




Tommy,
Nice car!
I believe your's is a little to heavy to get 10's but lower 11's no problem.
Good Luck!

Re: 440 Source Stealth and Stealth CNC...How fast? [Re: Biginchmopar] #1730886
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Thanks Big Inch. It went 11.17 on 452 heads with the same .575 solid roller cam i'll run in the stroker. Only difference it had 13:1 compression on that pass. I'm hoping the extra 60 inches and better flowing heads will make up the difference. Can't wait 'til Spring!

Re: 440 Source Stealth and Stealth CNC...How fast? [Re: Tommy D] #1730887
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Thanks. My Grandfather bought it new. 383 car, and originally black with tan. It's got over 250,000 miles on it. I am shown as the original owner as my name and his are the same. It's a family member for sure! Thank you for the compliment. I need to keep up with Pop's '63!

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440... went 10.99 on cleaned up stealths , 10.88 with CNC stealths...



So, a tenth is all you saw from the CNC job? I'd have been scratching my head raw wondering why the extra CFM didn't translate into a bigger gain.

Re: 440 Source Stealth and Stealth CNC...How fast? [Re: Tommy D] #1730890
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Re: 440 Source Stealth and Stealth CNC...How fast? [Re: BradH] #1730891
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440... went 10.99 on cleaned up stealths , 10.88 with CNC stealths...



So, a tenth is all you saw from the CNC job? I'd have been scratching my head raw wondering why the extra CFM didn't translate into a bigger gain.




I thought the same thing when I read that. I'd hope for more out of $1000. But I think what it tells you is that the weakest link is somewhere else in the combo.

My 451 has OTB stealth heads, with the only mods being the valve-springs and retainers. My car is not a racecar; its a pump-gas, full weight street car with 3.91 gears. It has gone 11.81 @ 113, but I know there's plenty left to find. I'm sure that even just a good competition valve-job and a quick clean-up of the ports would be worth quite a bit. For what they cost, I couldn't be more happy with my investment in the Stealth heads.


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Re: 440 Source Stealth and Stealth CNC...How fast? [Re: BradH] #1730892
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440... went 10.99 on cleaned up stealths , 10.88 with CNC stealths...



So, a tenth is all you saw from the CNC job? I'd have been scratching my head raw wondering why the extra CFM didn't translate into a bigger gain.






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Re: 440 Source Stealth and Stealth CNC...How fast? [Re: StealthWedge67] #1730893
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General Question: starting from scratch would it be better to purchase the super stealths as opposed to the regular stealths? (super street app). I know they do require the offset intake rockers which be addit'l $$$


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Re: 440 Source Stealth and Stealth CNC...How fast? [Re: Tommy D] #1730894
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3700 pound race weight. 3800 RPM converter. 4.30 gears. M and H Racemaster street slicks. Super Stock springs...for now. 11:1 Compression. .575 lift, .262 @50. Six pack induction. Tan interior!




You said you had 452's, what do they flow ?

Re: 440 Source Stealth and Stealth CNC...How fast? [Re: RapidRobert] #1730895
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General Question: starting from scratch would it be better to purchase the super stealths as opposed to the regular stealths? (super street app). I know they do require the offset intake rockers which be addit'l $$$




My understanding is the super stealths require finishing , aren't they sold bare with a not ready for primetime ports ?

If this is the case , unless something changed , add $$$$$

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General Question: starting from scratch would it be better to purchase the super stealths as opposed to the regular stealths? (super street app). I know they do require the offset intake rockers which be addit'l $$$




If you're going to spend the money for the offset rockers you might as well get Victors, at least thats how I see it. A pair of Victors are $1600, and whether you want to consider them bolt on or not you can bolt them on and use them.

The SuperStealths are on sale right now for 400 a head but they're normally 500 a head. Even at 400 a head by the time you put valves in them, have a valve job, buy valves, and put springs in them you're going to be at 1400, and the ports still need work. I don't see how you can have less than 2K into a set of these realistically. And the newer Victors have a nice combustion chamber.

The Victors are a killer head for the money. If you're running a street cam with mild spring pressure you can run a set of Hughes rocker arms (575), and theres really not much added expense vs a set of RPMs if you're in the marker for rockers too. TBH when I built my engine I was on a tight budget and had a set of ductile iron rockers, so I went with Stealths because I couldn't justify an extra grand - 1500 for the victors AND the rockers. Well guess what? Rockers didn't clear my springs and had to buy a set of rockers. The thing I was most POed about with the entire ordeal was had I known I had to buy a set of rockers I'd have started with Victor heads and make ALOT more power

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Re: 440 Source Stealth and Stealth CNC...How fast? [Re: GTX MATT] #1730897
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Thank you double R & yeah I saw that descrip on the unfinished ports but I ASSuME'd that they were ready to run as is but that a person could take them out much further if desired. so maybe they would not be in a good shape/form to run as is. Matt 20% is enticing & I have a new set of Manley 2.14/1.81's on the shelf & I would use stock BB retainers & mild springs (have them too). I always go way too conservative on cams which hurts me but just me I like a smooth idle & I'd do the valve job & I definately ain't a pro porter but I can do some slight/moderate clean up/port matching. I'm assuming the Victors are a better head and do not require the offsett intake rocker assys. Thank you!


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General Question: starting from scratch would it be better to purchase the super stealths as opposed to the regular stealths? (super street app). I know they do require the offset intake rockers which be addit'l $$$




If you're going to spend the money for the offset rockers you might as well get Victors, at least thats how I see it. A pair of Victors are $1600, and whether you want to consider them bolt on or not you can bolt them on and use them.

The SuperStealths are on sale right now for 400 a head but they're normally 500 a head. Even at 400 a head by the time you put valves in them, have a valve job, buy valves, and put springs in them you're going to be at 1400, and the ports still need work. I don't see how you can have less than 2K into a set of these realistically. And the newer Victors have a nice combustion chamber.

The Victors are a killer head for the money. If you're running a street cam with mild spring pressure you can run a set of Hughes rocker arms (575), and theres really not much added expense vs a set of RPMs if you're in the marker for rockers too. TBH when I built my engine I was on a tight budget and had a set of ductile iron rockers, so I went with Stealths because I couldn't justify an extra grand - 1500 for the victors AND the rockers. Well guess what? Rockers didn't clear my springs and had to buy a set of rockers. The thing I was most POed about with the entire ordeal was had I known I had to buy a set of rockers I'd have started with Victor heads and probably be making another 50-75 horsepower





As I said, I'm happy with my Stealths. But the reason I'm happy is that I got good performance for only $900! If you want more performance than they offer,and are willing to step up the budget, then I'd look at the victors or even Indy EZ's. Unless, of course, you want the factory look that the Stealth offers. If that is part of the draw, then its the only ball-game in town.


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Victors are a better head and do not require the offsett intake rocker assys. Thank you!




Better head yes, but they DO require the offset rockers as well, which is why I mentioned them in talking about the Super Stealths.

I.E. if you're going to spend money for offset rockers you might as well pony up for the Victors. It sounds like with what you've got they may be a viable option, I'm not sure how much they will flow with 2.14/1.81 though. I know a guy making over 700 horse out of a 511 with the super stealths, a cross ram and max wedge manifolds, hes got alot of cam and sent them to modern cylinder head though. He wanted them for the stock look as the engine looks like a stock maxie.


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Thank you double R & yeah I saw that descrip on the unfinished ports but I ASSuME'd that they were ready to run as is but that a person could take them out much further if desired. so maybe they would not be in a good shape/form to run as is. Matt 20% is enticing & I have a new set of Manley 2.14/1.81's on the shelf & I would use stock BB retainers & mild springs (have them too). I always go way too conservative on cams which hurts me but just me I like a smooth idle & I'd do the valve job & I definately ain't a pro porter but I can do some slight/moderate clean up/port matching. I'm assuming the Victors are a better head and do not require the offsett intake rocker assys. Thank you!




2.14 and 1.81 for what heads ? If stock mopar heads they aren't going to work with anything else but a stock mopar head ...

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