Re: acetone in da gas?????
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09/28/05 09:19 PM
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Dart-sport Satellite,what brand of gasoline did your friends use?? which worked best?
Talked to him today, he uses whatever gas is convenient. When he first started testing the acetone mix, he went around to a bunch of stations to find which gas gave him the best mileage for HIS car. After he found this out, he proceded to test how much acetone would give him the best improvement. He started at 1/4 oz. per 10 gals. and worked up to where the mileage dropped off, then back down to where the mileage was best. He's using 2 and 1/4 oz. per 10 gallons, and now buys his gas wherever is convenient.
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Re: acetone in da gas?????
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09/30/05 12:46 AM
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Just thought i would pass along that since my last post on Sept 17th that i have gained 1 mpg so far in my 2000 300M. After two tankfulls, the first gaining 4 tenths of a gallon to 24.7 till today at fill up with 25.3 mpg, a 1 mpg increase from my earlier average. Just for the record, i don't baby this car. I drive anywhere from 65 to 85 mph and higher on the highway when needed if i'm running late for work. My driving is light city, mostly country with some highway. The 300M has a nice 3.5 liter motor with a compression ratio of 9.9 to 1 which i have faithfully supplied with 91 to 93 octane because of a noticable reduction in mileage if run on 87 octane donkey drool. When gas prices went sharply higher, i started carefully using the 87 octane without any complaints from the motor at light to moderate throttle. With acetone i can run the 87 octane and so far i have verified the highest averag mpg that have ever seen even when using 91 to 93 octane. I'm driving to Pittsburg tomorrow so i will get to use a full tank at highway speeds of 65 to 80 mph and will let everyone know what happens. 26 to 27 mpg has been the norm for this trip in the past. 28 mpg without the airconditioner at 75 miles per hour average. One more experience has been what feels to be more responsivness when rolling the throttle down just off of the cruise position. This could be a sighn that the computer is giving full advance that was taken away because of the use of 87 octane to cut back on fuel costs. Gas stations around here are charging 30 cents a gallon more for high test which would be an extra $4.50 for a 15 gallon fill up. Acetone costs are about 60 to 70 cents per tank based on a quart purchased at Walmart around $5.00. If things continue to hold true with further testing, acetone's stated benefits of fuel vapourization could easily exceed what had been seen by the use of expensive hightest fuel.... More to come.
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Re: acetone in da gas?????
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10/04/05 08:47 PM
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ohh Im back, my pills from the other night wore off dont know what I wrote myself??? its not the surface tension its the max total advance available and cooling effect of the solvent. gas has pretty low surface tension already. go with Xylene even better carbon chain any ane or ene is a hydrocarbon diretive and adds . they distill all this stuff off when making the gas then add it afterward to boost . PS did I tell ya about my 80% acetone burnouts the other night street still looks cool
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Re: acetone in da gas?????
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10/06/05 09:34 AM
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At highway speeds of up to 85 mph, averaging 73mph for the trip, my big 300M got 28.4 on the way out to Pittsburgh and 28.6 on the way back. I could only guess at what i would get if i kept it on cruise controll at 70mph, 30mpg ?? So far this stuff appears to be doing something as i have never seen these kind of numbers out of this car, especialy at these speeds. Anyone else out there trying this stuff? Results good or bad?
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Re: acetone in da gas?????
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10/07/05 01:06 AM
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What did Hemidan say.!! Man great thread, but the last post from you Hemidan was way out there. Dont know ether to write it down as is or ?? , Anyway out herer in cali . xylene is cheaper than Tolulene( $10 plus per gal) I did the trick once w. tolulenen and the family 98 GMC ran alot better but was a wash in cost. Going w/ the xylenen next. alot cheaper.
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Re: acetone in da gas?????
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10/07/05 10:56 AM
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I just put 3 ounces in my 12 gal Escort tank, I'll report back in 2 weeks when it's time for a fillup. It gets a steady 30mpg now so we'll see.
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Re: acetone in da gas?????
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10/25/05 12:16 AM
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New Acetone test. I took my moms 85 lincoln 302 TBI car and ran it till empty (drove it to work on E when i got there idled till it died) totally empty. then added 1 gallon of pure acetone started car drove 2 blocks and got 10 bucks of gas about 3.5 gallons so now its like 20%. and drove home. next day my mom calls me and says what did you do to my car, i figure oh oh! , she says it runs like a new engine and flys onto the parkway like never before, this has always been a well tuned low milege car. by end of day she filled it up and she said it lost that zip it had that morning. geee I wonder how much the Acetone boosted things with absolutley no other changes made to engine/car.
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Re: acetone in da gas?????
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10/25/05 12:56 AM
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so..how much does a quart of acetone to 20 gallons of 91 octane gasoline raise the octane?
Easy to figure it out if you know the octane of what you are adding.
Let's say Toluene @ 114 oct. mixing in a 15 gal tank with 93 oct. by adding 1 gal of Toluene:
(93oct x 14gal) + (114oct x 1gal) / 15 gal
So - you'd get 94.4 oct.
You CAN buy Xylene / Toluene in bulk from chemical suppliers. They ARE the main agents in octane boosters. But, as someone said, you should be adding lubricating oil for the added wash-down effect.
I've looked into this (buying bulk chemicals). I found that after you buy all the crap, do the mixing, it would be easier to just buy race fuel and mix if need be.
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Re: acetone in da gas?????
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10/25/05 01:21 AM
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I lost 5mpg on the first tank of acetone mix.
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Re: acetone in da gas?????
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10/25/05 04:34 PM
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Yeah - the concentration of actual octane enhancing products in those boosters are minimal. When they say 2-3 POINTS - they mean 93 to 93.2, not 95. Those boosters work better with the lowest grade fuel as there is a greater differential.
For everyones info - I found the e-mail from the bulk chemical supply house for the Xylene or Toluene. They wanted $102.40 CDN for a 20 Litre can. So, that's about $85 bucks US for 5.3 gallons for my friends south.
I couldn't find pure Toluene / Xylene in hardware stores like everyone said you could (perhaps it is easier to find in the US). I CAN tell you that up here, most places are not just going to give you this stuff after a credit card #....this is used to make explosives.
So, perhaps in the US you can find it cheaper / more readily available. But, I can tell you that the price for that is WAY more expensive then buying / mixing with race gas.
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Re: acetone in da gas?????
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10/26/05 10:19 PM
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The idle speed on a Neon is controlled by the computer. If something raised or lowers it, the computer will IAS motor to let in more or less air. Idle Air Speed.
Even if you load the crank and pull the idle down, the computer will always try to maintain it's goal rpm.
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