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Re: Feedback on Viking double adjust shock ?
[Re: Dyno1]
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01/28/15 02:29 AM
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A shock in your hand is NOT how the shock works when it is on the car. Your friend with the Afcos is miles ahead of your ViKings.
Lol, ok.
Let me tell you whats comical. The instructions on the afcos say to fine tune, turn 2 clicks. I started laughing. Why not just have 12 settings. No really, i believe you, is it really miles or just bus lenghts 
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Re: Feedback on Viking double adjust shock ?
[Re: sixpackgut]
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01/28/15 02:17 PM
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Monte_Smith
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A shock in your hand is NOT how the shock works when it is on the car. Your friend with the Afcos is miles ahead of your ViKings.
Lol, ok.
Let me tell you whats comical. The instructions on the afcos say to fine tune, turn 2 clicks. I started laughing. Why not just have 12 settings. No really, i believe you, is it really miles or just bus lenghts
Many clicks, just mean the shocks have VERY fine adjustment. To explain how sensitive GOOD shocks can be here is an example. We have Santhuffs on the front of the Buick. They have an adjustment "window" similar to some rear shocks, that you stick a small pin in to move it. You move it a full window, which is a "sweep" on the shock. That's a TON. If I look at the shock graph and it is stretching the shock at .6 out. That's too soon for me. I shoot for 1-1.2 out to stretch the shock. So to slow the shock stretch from .6 to 1.2 requires I move the adjustment about 1/4 of a sweep. Meaning I barely even move it.
We have Menscer revalved Afcos on the rear. Two clicks on the shock body or the charge canister either one, can be a BIG change.
As far as your buddies shocks from Jegs. Yes, they will just be a standard valving shock. The shocks from TRZ would have been valved for a small tire, stock suspension car, because THAT is what TRZ does mostly.
Even our front Santhuffs are not "standard" shocks, I have the Pro-Mod valving, because I need VERY precise front rise control
And you may like how those Vikings "feel" in your hand.......but trust me, your CAR would like how the Afcos "feel" better.........LOL!!
Monte
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Re: Feedback on Viking double adjust shock ?
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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01/28/15 02:57 PM
01/28/15 02:57 PM
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Charleston
sixpackgut
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A shock in your hand is NOT how the shock works when it is on the car. Your friend with the Afcos is miles ahead of your ViKings.
Lol, ok.
Let me tell you whats comical. The instructions on the afcos say to fine tune, turn 2 clicks. I started laughing. Why not just have 12 settings. No really, i believe you, is it really miles or just bus lenghts
Many clicks, just mean the shocks have VERY fine adjustment. To explain how sensitive GOOD shocks can be here is an example. We have Santhuffs on the front of the Buick. They have an adjustment "window" similar to some rear shocks, that you stick a small pin in to move it. You move it a full window, which is a "sweep" on the shock. That's a TON. If I look at the shock graph and it is stretching the shock at .6 out. That's too soon for me. I shoot for 1-1.2 out to stretch the shock. So to slow the shock stretch from .6 to 1.2 requires I move the adjustment about 1/4 of a sweep. Meaning I barely even move it.
We have Menscer revalved Afcos on the rear. Two clicks on the shock body or the charge canister either one, can be a BIG change.
As far as your buddies shocks from Jegs. Yes, they will just be a standard valving shock. The shocks from TRZ would have been valved for a small tire, stock suspension car, because THAT is what TRZ does mostly.
Even our front Santhuffs are not "standard" shocks, I have the Pro-Mod valving, because I need VERY precise front rise control
And you may like how those Vikings "feel" in your hand.......but trust me, your CAR would like how the Afcos "feel" better.........LOL!!
Monte
I grab the concept of what your saying, but if all the afco shocks "feel" the way those do, then no way do they pass the Monte test. Just because you have blue bodied shocks on your car right now, does not mean afco gets to take the credit for the way they work. A shock specialist does.How is Mark Mencer<sp? going to make a dollar if he wanted to revalve a santhuff shock. Who is going to spend $1300 per shock. No different than buying a plate/fogger kit from NOS or a plate/fogger kit from Monte Smith with jet setups.....LOL. does NOS get to take credit for that? if so, you need to stop printing shirts for the street outlaw guys
Monte, I read every post you make. I can quote you on how you weren't impressed with afco shocks from this very website if you like. For what my car does and does very slowly, the Viking shocks seem like a great buy. We don't all have $200,000 cars on here
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Re: Feedback on Viking double adjust shock ?
[Re: D-50]
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01/28/15 04:03 PM
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Deaks were you spinning when you got the best 60ft with the rancho shocks. The reason I ask is I am running the Rancho 9 way rear shocks also and thinking about trying double adjustable shocks. My best so far with the Rancho's has been 1.33.
Sorry i just got back to this, i'm not sure but it definitely didn't spin off the line, it was lifting the wheels around 6 to 8 " and carrying them out about 15-20ft. Your car 60fts good on the ranchos do you use caltracs ?
Mick
69 Dart GTS 440 mopar .590 cam, Edelbrock heads, 3200#
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Re: Feedback on Viking double adjust shock ?
[Re: Thumperdart]
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01/28/15 04:57 PM
01/28/15 04:57 PM
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Huntsville, AL
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If these drag shocks are anything like dirt bike shocks, there is a whole lot that goes into the valving besides the adjustments which in them just bypasses the valve discs. The disc stack is where the magic is, and OBTW, those guys rebuild their shocks pretty often. Those valves wear and take a shape. Are these any good? Recommended by the guy who built my Demon, Todd Bevis. BTW, that car will be getting new shocks on all 4 corners when I get it back together and running. http://www.jrishocks.com/product-category/DRAG/
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Re: Feedback on Viking double adjust shock ?
[Re: Airwoofer]
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01/28/15 05:04 PM
01/28/15 05:04 PM
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BradH
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If these drag shocks are anything like dirt bike shocks, there is a whole lot that goes into the valving besides the adjustments which in them just bypasses the valve discs...
Yep, this is the sort of valving I was used to working on w/ motocross bikes. High-speed / low-speed stacks, tuning the crossover point, etc. When I mentioned how I expected my current Ranchos were stone-age technology, this is what I had in mind for comparison.
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Re: Feedback on Viking double adjust shock ?
[Re: BradH]
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01/28/15 05:51 PM
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I'm getting ready to make shock purchase myself and want to put some double adjustable shocks up front on our Plymouth Duster. Our plan is to purchase some shocks from one of the shock builders(Mans, Menscer, Bell, etc) so they are valved exactly for our application. The great thing is that they will know the limitations of each shock design and can tell me just how good one is compared to the other once revalved. Right now, I'm leaning towards getting strange double adjustable's for the front but we will see once I get some feedback. This will give me enough information to make an educated purchase I think.
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Re: Feedback on Viking double adjust shock ?
[Re: Adrielp]
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01/28/15 06:44 PM
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Charleston
sixpackgut
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I'm getting ready to make shock purchase myself and want to put some double adjustable shocks up front on our Plymouth Duster. Our plan is to purchase some shocks from one of the shock builders(Mans, Menscer, Bell, etc) so they are valved exactly for our application. The great thing is that they will know the limitations of each shock design and can tell me just how good one is compared to the other once revalved. Right now, I'm leaning towards getting strange double adjustable's for the front but we will see once I get some feedback. This will give me enough information to make an educated purchase I think.
Menscer is the man. if I had the money and if I had a real race car, that is where I would spend it.
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Re: Feedback on Viking double adjust shock ?
[Re: sixpackgut]
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01/28/15 06:58 PM
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Val-haul-ass... eventually
BradH
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... if I had the money and if I had a real race car...
I think I just found the perfect inscription for my tombstone.
Or maybe a tatto for my a$$, so I get to use it sooner... especially if I'm cremated and there's nothing left to bury.
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Re: Feedback on Viking double adjust shock ?
[Re: sixpackgut]
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01/28/15 07:02 PM
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A shock in your hand is NOT how the shock works when it is on the car. Your friend with the Afcos is miles ahead of your ViKings.
Lol, ok.
Let me tell you whats comical. The instructions on the afcos say to fine tune, turn 2 clicks. I started laughing. Why not just have 12 settings. No really, i believe you, is it really miles or just bus lenghts
Many clicks, just mean the shocks have VERY fine adjustment. To explain how sensitive GOOD shocks can be here is an example. We have Santhuffs on the front of the Buick. They have an adjustment "window" similar to some rear shocks, that you stick a small pin in to move it. You move it a full window, which is a "sweep" on the shock. That's a TON. If I look at the shock graph and it is stretching the shock at .6 out. That's too soon for me. I shoot for 1-1.2 out to stretch the shock. So to slow the shock stretch from .6 to 1.2 requires I move the adjustment about 1/4 of a sweep. Meaning I barely even move it.
We have Menscer revalved Afcos on the rear. Two clicks on the shock body or the charge canister either one, can be a BIG change.
As far as your buddies shocks from Jegs. Yes, they will just be a standard valving shock. The shocks from TRZ would have been valved for a small tire, stock suspension car, because THAT is what TRZ does mostly.
Even our front Santhuffs are not "standard" shocks, I have the Pro-Mod valving, because I need VERY precise front rise control
And you may like how those Vikings "feel" in your hand.......but trust me, your CAR would like how the Afcos "feel" better.........LOL!!
Monte
I grab the concept of what your saying, but if all the afco shocks "feel" the way those do, then no way do they pass the Monte test. Just because you have blue bodied shocks on your car right now, does not mean afco gets to take the credit for the way they work. A shock specialist does.How is Mark Mencer<sp? going to make a dollar if he wanted to revalve a santhuff shock. Who is going to spend $1300 per shock. No different than buying a plate/fogger kit from NOS or a plate/fogger kit from Monte Smith with jet setups.....LOL. does NOS get to take credit for that? if so, you need to stop printing shirts for the street outlaw guys
Monte, I read every post you make. I can quote you on how you weren't impressed with afco shocks from this very website if you like. For what my car does and does very slowly, the Viking shocks seem like a great buy. We don't all have $200,000 cars on here
All I was saying, is that your "hand test" likely doesn't mean anything, as I suspect those shocks were not properly charged, nor were they on the car. Also I am NOT downing your shock purchase. You bought what you could afford and I respect that. I was just agreeing with DYNO1 that the Afco is a better shock on the whole than the Viking and I won't change that thought. And yes, I had some Afcos before that I was NOT happy with and that was because they simply weren't valved correctly for what I wanted. I also stated that I had to send my Santhuffs back to be revalved, because I wasn't happy with those either.
And Menscer shocks, nor Santhuffs are $1300 each. A pair of Santhuffs can usually be had for around a $1000. Our Afco shocks from Menscer were $1600 a pair, with the external nitrogen canister. Now does EVERYBODY needs these type shocks, of course not. But one thing I have always said, was buy the BEST shock you can afford, or are WILLING to afford. That's what you did and I am sure you will be happy with them, because they are no doubt better than you had. But there is no reason for you or anyone else to get defensive when it is pointed out that some shocks are better than the ones you bought. It just is what it is. You bought what you wanted, so make them work. Would a set of Afcos, Santhuffs, Penskes, whatever, be a BETTER shock?...........absolutely.........Do YOU need that shock..........NO.
Others read these threads, from guys with daily drivers, to guys that have FAST stuff. We already know a "one size fits all" shock doesn't work on a lot of applications......so all that is being pointed out, is to buy the shock that FITS your needs, both from a cost AND performance standpoint. What is "good enough" for some, won't be close to enough for others. The OP asked for "feedback" on Viking shocks...........that's what is happening, he is getting feedback
Monte
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Re: Feedback on Viking double adjust shock ?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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01/28/15 08:00 PM
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FWI, over my friends house and he just got a brand new pair of afcos. I started playing with them and from 0 to 24 on either C or R there is hardly any difference. On full stiff i can still pull or push the shock. I cant do that with the vikings.
This made me feel better about my choice on buying the Vikings. I told my friend that IMO, I would rather my SA QA1's over his afcos. He said the reason he bought the afcos over the Vikings for his G body is because the afcos were cheaper. Maybe you do get what you pay for, in this case
Then there is some thing wrong with his shocks. My front shocks are out of the box from afco and are not like that. He needs to send them to a shock guy or if they are new back to afco.
As far as I know, which isn't much except to know where to buy shocks from (in this case from dirt bikes) - shocks (and for that matter forks) react to stroke velocity, ie change in volume of the fluid as the shock compresses / rebounds. You change the settings to vary the force of reaction the shock is delivering for the sudden velocity - ie bump. Here is a chart that shows this concept as settings are changed. I think the changes in the curves with velocity changes are due to the shim pack and the different curves are for the pack bypass - the click settings.
http://www.ohlinsusa.com/files/files/TTX_25%20Dyno_E.pdf
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Re: Feedback on Viking double adjust shock ?
[Re: deaks]
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01/28/15 10:35 PM
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Deaks were you spinning when you got the best 60ft with the rancho shocks. The reason I ask is I am running the Rancho 9 way rear shocks also and thinking about trying double adjustable shocks. My best so far with the Rancho's has been 1.33.
Sorry i just got back to this, i'm not sure but it definitely didn't spin off the line, it was lifting the wheels around 6 to 8 " and carrying them out about 15-20ft. Your car 60fts good on the ranchos do you use caltracs ?
Mick
I have home made caltracs with stock leaf springs. I did not have any traction problems until I upgraded my fuel system (stock fuel pump to a MagnaFuel electric)and went from a old untuned 950 to a ProSystems 1050 and went to track and made 5 passes got zero traction every pass. So now I got to figure out what the problem is. 
1.33 60 ft,6.21 at 110.59 in the 1/8, pump gas small block,2950lbs,drag radials,mufflers and driven to track ...
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Re: Feedback on Viking double adjust shock ?
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01/29/15 11:03 AM
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I've been a bunch of 1.320 sixty foots footbraking all motor on Cal-Tracs w/ the old Rancho 9 way rears and some "custom valved" Lakewood 90/10 fronts on my cuda. By custom valved I mean I drilled and drained the oil out of them and replaced it w/ some lighter oil b/c they were stiff as he11 when they were new.  Wish I hadn't done that now, but they work great on my car on motor. Much better than the Calvert 90/10 shocks I tried in the past. I feel pretty sure these Vikings will be a lot better than my current shocks. I knew I'd need to step up to something better when I started w/ the nitrous. Hopefully I'll be able to go faster than the tire spinning 9.30s I've already been at 3900 lbs.
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