10:1 cr ok for my combo ??
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01/05/15 12:48 AM
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Torquemonster440
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Hey guys; I know this topic has been discussed time and again on this forum, but even after reading all the replies using the search feature I'm still not sure. Because of budget concerns I'm using a set of upgraded 906's that i scored for a good deal. I don't have the coin for a set of closed chamber aluminum heads... (wish i did). My block is at the machine shop right now.. Being set up with KB237's in place of the awful trw 2388's that were in there. They were .140 in the hole !!! .. netting me a 7.78:1 static CR !!!!! I need to know if you guys think I will be safe running near stock 906's with a 10:1 static cr on 91 octane ?? I know cam plays a huge role in the equation. I'm planning on keeping the .528 purple shaft i just installed less than 6 months ago.. Advertised intake closing on that cam is listed @ 72 ABDC. If I plug the numbers into the Wallace Racing DCR calc using a 10:1 static CR it says i'm well within the "safe" zone.. "7.36:1 DCR" with 143 psi cranking pressure, but what i hear from some other posters on here is that I'm limited to no more than a 9.5:1 static CR to keep it safe.{avoid detonation} Thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time to reply.
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1966 Satellie.. 12.55 @107.75. 906 heads. 3780 lbs.
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Re: 10:1 cr ok for my combo ??
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01/05/15 01:31 AM
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Yikes !! even with a .035 quench and 9.7:1, you're still having detonation problems. These 906's have no quench, I'm hoping my cam will be my saving grace..
1966 Satellie.. 12.55 @107.75. 906 heads. 3780 lbs.
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Re: 10:1 cr ok for my combo ??
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01/05/15 02:48 AM
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I think you will be ok but you may need to pay close attention to your ignition curve to avoid issues. If it doesn't work you can change to the .051 inch fel pros which would drop you to around 9.7.
Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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Re: 10:1 cr ok for my combo ??
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01/05/15 03:13 AM
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My old 440 had 906 heads and I used the KB quench pad pistons. I had it right at 10.0 comp and right around .045 to .050 quench as you really have to work alot to get all the quench as even as I could. I ran 38 total timing all in by 2000 rpm and I used the MP .557 cam on a 104 ICL. No ping at all running on 92 and 93 pump. I do run a 9.5 Dynamic street/strip converter and 4.30 gears as my 63 weighs just over 3700 lbs with me in it. But it worked fine on 92 pump and had no ping at all but it is a race type mech advance only dist as it has no vacum advance. Ron
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Re: 10:1 cr ok for my combo ??
[Re: Torquemonster440]
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01/05/15 04:55 AM
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Call around to fine a veteinary supply store or one of the large animal vets and see if they will sale you a 500 CC syringe so you can CC your heads Having a thin 4.5 inch square plate of plexiglas helps also, you will need to put a small hole in it near the edge of one side to fill the chambers with what ever liquid you use. ( I use rubbing alchol with some food dye in it to see it better when filling) but some guys like a piece of thick glass(harder to put a hole in them without a diamond drill bit or cutter ) to use to seal the head combustion chamber up to check them. A little effort and not much money, you can do it to Don't be suprised to see a bunch of variences in the 4 chamber on each stock iron head and some variances between heads that are the same thickness on the outer head bolts I wouldn't run the compression up above 9.5 to 1 mechanical comp. ratio no matter what cam for pump gas, it(pump gas) ain't going to get any better than it is right now I've made 9.2 to 1 comp. ratio motor ping with iron heads and 34 degree timing and a cold plug when tuning on a hot day going up a slight hill at part throttle in high gear between 1700 and 2500 RPM in 75 degree weather here locally at or above 3500 Ft
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Re: 10:1 cr ok for my combo ??
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01/05/15 05:23 AM
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Call around to fine a veteinary supply store or one of the large animal vets and see if they will sale you a 500 CC syringe so you can CC your heads Having a thin 4.5 inch square plate of plexiglas helps also, you will need to put a small hole in it near the edge of one side to fill the chambers with what ever liquid you use. ( I use rubbing alchol with some food dye in it to see it better when filling) but some guys like a piece of thick glass(harder to put a hole in them without a diamond drill bit or cutter ) to use to seal the head combustion chamber up to check them. A little effort and not much money, you can do it to Don't be suprised to see a bunch of variences in the 4 chamber on each stock iron head and some variances between heads that are the same thickness on the outer head bolts I wouldn't run the compression up above 9.5 to 1 mechanical comp. ratio no matter what cam for pump gas, it(pump gas) ain't going to get any better than it is right now I've made 9.2 to 1 comp. ratio motor ping with iron heads and 34 degree timing and a cold plug when tuning on a hot day going up a slight hill at part throttle in high gear between 1700 and 2500 RPM in 75 degree weather here locally at or above 3500 Ft
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Re: 10:1 cr ok for my combo ??
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01/05/15 10:06 AM
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With the cr calculator on the KB website and wallace, I've always been dead on for cr and cylinder pressure..
My last combo was 10.1:1 static and 9:1 dynamic with a set of RHS heads, mec advance only 34*advance, 255/262 @ .050 cam, and plenty of fun ! You'll be fine....
Dan
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Re: 10:1 cr ok for my combo ??
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01/05/15 03:50 PM
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That seems like alot of cranking compression for that CR and duration - how much lash did you run?
Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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