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SRT Hellcat wreck #1714145
12/22/14 06:34 PM
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Well that didn't take long.

Hellcat wrecked after owning for 1 hour

Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: keyser soze] #1714146
12/22/14 07:13 PM
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Ive seen how ALOT of people drive in CO. So im not really surprised. Would use to say that when you fail your drivers test in Nebraska, they would give you green license plates....


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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: 72Swinger] #1714147
12/22/14 07:54 PM
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Repost


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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: gregsrt] #1714148
12/22/14 08:21 PM
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Repost


you HAVE to include a link to the original thread, or it doesn't count as a repost report.

here in the General Forum;

https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...e=0&fpart=1


Tom

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Men and fish are alike. They both get into trouble when they open their mouths

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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: amxautox] #1714149
12/22/14 08:48 PM
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I'm okay with the repost in this section if people talk about why the guy lost control of the car.

In the pictures it looks like the guy came over a small hill and immediately lost it in a slight corner. I will say that at high speeds that small corner gets tough to handle. Especially with a heavy car that has unloaded tires by coming over the crest of the hill.

Anyone drive one of the new Challengers yet with stability control? I haven't driven one so I don't know how well they handle or if the stability control even helps.

I will say I've watched a bunch of rally races where the guy comes flying over a hill with the car in the air and he lands the car goes around the corner and doesn't miss a beat. Looks to me like this guy came flying over the hill, panicked and locked up the tires and drove it straight into a tree with the tires locked. Perhaps if he had lifted off the brakes and used his steering wheel he could've continued right up the road?

Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: AndyF] #1714150
12/22/14 09:16 PM
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Glad everyone is OK.

Dibs on the powertrain!


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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: AndyF] #1714151
12/22/14 09:53 PM
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Looking at the photos that's what I see as well. Crested a hill mid corner. Dipped a tire on the grass on the passenger side, corrected off of that too much.

Kind of what I did at Carlisle.


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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: cudazappa] #1714152
12/22/14 10:13 PM
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The Challenger with ESP on is pretty stupid proof. But, if he held down the button long enough, he had better know what he's doing.

The ESP is pretty invasive (in my opinion) and if it was on would save most people. If he flat out was carrying too much speed, there is nothing that's going to help him.

Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: Consulier] #1714153
12/23/14 12:45 AM
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Yeah, my (somewhat educated) guess is that he was going around 100 mph when he came over the hill. I'm basing that on the damage to the car and the length of the skid marks. I figure he hit the tree at 35 or 40 mph to cause that much damage and that he scrubbed off 40 or 50 mph during the slide. 100 mph on a narrow two lane road with curves and whoop dee doos is higher than my pucker factor will allow.

Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: AndyF] #1714154
12/23/14 02:51 AM
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Quote:

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In the pictures it looks like the guy came over a small hill and immediately lost it in a slight corner. I will say that at high speeds that small corner gets tough to handle. Especially with a heavy car that has unloaded tires by coming over the crest of the hill....




Yeah I've done that!

It's a part of Willow Springs they always warn you about in drivers meetings.

After that, I disconnected my rear sway bar and it helped greatly. Almost helped as much as me not getting on the gas too early with on a brand new motor with 200 more HP and 200 more TQ than I'm used to.


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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: Consulier] #1714155
12/23/14 02:01 PM
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If he flat out was carrying too much speed, there is nothing that's going to help him.




Yep. In the end the laws of Physics > ESP.

-Michael


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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: 68cuda440] #1714156
12/24/14 05:05 PM
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Doesn't the Hellcat have ABS? Wondering why it appears to be a solid black set of stripes instead of some "chattering" looking tire marks on the pavement.

Or after your carrying the mail that fast the ABS just still smears the tires all over the road, or can the ABS be turned off in this car?

Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: PHJ426] #1714157
12/24/14 05:34 PM
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Just one more idiot ruining it for the rest of us. I can see it now,
"Hellcat banned in 24 states....." or "due to government regulation, you can no longer disable safety features on Chrysler vehicles...."


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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: PHJ426] #1714158
12/24/14 06:16 PM
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I don't think you can turn the ABS off (without pulling a fuse or cutting wires that is). I am pretty sure that you can turn the stability control off, but I don't think the Feds allow you to switch off the ABS.

My guess is that the skid marks are from the car sliding sideways but I'm not positive. Not sure why the guy would turn off the stability control but perhaps he wanted to do some burnouts.

Don't think we'll find out unless the drive holds a press conference. Doubtful that he is going to do that!

Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: AndyF] #1714159
12/24/14 06:18 PM
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Don't think we'll find out unless the drive holds a press conference. Doubtful that he is going to do that!


I don't think so either if he wants the ins. co. to pay up. They'll probably claim he was racing, and no coverage.


Tom

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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: amxautox] #1714160
12/24/14 06:21 PM
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My guess is that the insurance company has already taken a look at the black box data and they know exactly what the poor dude was up to.

Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: AndyF] #1714161
12/24/14 11:54 PM
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That black box deal from 2013? and newer cars having the black box is intrusive.......

Another federal mandate probably by the $$$$ of insurance company lobbyists.

Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: keyser soze] #1714162
12/25/14 12:53 AM
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One of the local Dodge dealerships is a customer of ours & when I took some Christmas goodies over to them, I asked the sales mngr how he liked the 2 Hellcats they just sold (both 6 spd manuals to the same guy!), and he said
it was absolutely scary to drive. He said if you punched it at 60 mph,
the tires broke loose. Man, I wanted a test drive, but got there too late.
Sad to see this green one get totalled right out of the box, but with that much power on command...maybe Mopar should include a driver's course with each one!

Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: AndyF] #1714163
01/10/15 10:10 AM
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Quote:



Anyone drive one of the new Challengers yet with stability control? I haven't driven one so I don't know how well they handle or if the stability control even helps.






I have a 2014 and if you are fooling about it kicks in. The car will try to "save" itself between depowering the engine and working with the ABS system in some cases.

Neat sliding around a corner and having it kick in, car will straighten itself right out.




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Re: SRT Hellcat wreck [Re: PHJ426] #1714164
01/10/15 07:18 PM
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"black box" data has been around since 2000 or so if not earlier.

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