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Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: RylisPro] #1709947 12/14/14 01:27 PM 12/14/14 01:27 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	Only the bellhousing cares about tooth count. Starter cares only that its bolts line up. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: 72Swinger] #1709948 12/15/14 05:29 AM 12/15/14 05:29 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA Kern Dog Striving for excellence
Kern Dog Striving for excellence Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 18,493 Granite Bay CA	From what I can tell, the size, pitch and spacing of the flywheel teeth are the same whether it is on the Torque Converter of a 904 or 727, OR a manual from a slant six 9" clutch up to the truck 11" version. The mounting bolts and centering recess in the bellhousing determine where the starter fits. In theory, any starter that fits any slant six should fit almost any other traditional Mopar slanty, V6 or V8.

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: Kern Dog] #1709949 12/17/14 06:10 PM 12/17/14 06:10 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 256 USA C Consulier OP enthusiast
Consulier OP enthusiast C Joined: May 2005 Posts: 256 USA	Just sent the RMA request to Mancini to get these awesome headers sent back to TTI. They didn't fit... didn't even clear the mini truck starter.

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: Consulier] #1709950 12/17/14 07:39 PM 12/17/14 07:39 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	Wtf Wesley? They didn't even clear that Kubota garden tractor starter I showed above? Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: 72Swinger] #1709951 12/17/14 08:19 PM 12/17/14 08:19 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 256 USA C Consulier OP enthusiast
Consulier OP enthusiast C Joined: May 2005 Posts: 256 USA	Quote: Wtf Wesley? They didn't even clear that Kubota garden tractor starter I showed above? If by Kubota you mean the 5.7 Ram Manual Trans starter recommended on TTI's page, than yes. It is interesting that these actually hit the passenger side frame rail and they also hit the bellhousing on the passenger side. I'll give them a pass on the bell since it's a Quicktime, but the frame rail is pretty much a WTF. Even with the factory customizing they were no where close to clearing the Torsion Bars. At this point I'm going to run the 2" and let them clearance themselves if necessary. Some point down the road I will look at it again, but I'm done spending money on this... again.

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: Consulier] #1709952 12/17/14 08:44 PM 12/17/14 08:44 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	I'm pulling for ya, I think I'm gonna definitely assemble my engine and trans and K member on the garage floor this go around. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: Consulier] #1709953 01/30/15 10:41 PM 01/30/15 10:41 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,432 NorCal RylisPro top fuel
RylisPro top fuel Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,432 NorCal	I had to buy a set of TTI headers just now and for those that are going the same route, I dealt with the guys at http://www.chicagoconnection.us/index.php?main_page=contact_us&zenid=and6sk2r8uj96g54g40cgen9c7 They are authorized distributors and had the most competitive shipping price with no tax if you are in California 73 `Cuda Instagram: @rylispro YouTube: RylisPro www.rylispro.com 925-214-9192

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: RylisPro] #1709954 02/01/15 10:34 PM 02/01/15 10:34 PM
Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada dangina pro stock
dangina pro stock Joined: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,491 Lethbridge, AB, Canada	^bought mine from these guys, best price I found a year back

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: dangina] #1709955 02/01/15 11:38 PM 02/01/15 11:38 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	Mine came from Modern Muscle on black Friday 2013. FREE shipping. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: 72Swinger] #1709956 02/02/15 11:39 AM 02/02/15 11:39 AM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 723 Houston Tx Uhcoog1 super stock
Uhcoog1 super stock Joined: May 2005 Posts: 723 Houston Tx	I bought the TTI's and Borgeson box with adapters from Bergman Auto Craft. Figured if I had trouble with fit I'd have someone go to bat for me. -'02 Dodge Viper Ex-World Challenge racecar -'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: RylisPro] #1709957 02/07/15 12:50 AM 02/07/15 12:50 AM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,432 NorCal RylisPro top fuel
RylisPro top fuel Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,432 NorCal	I got my headers in and here are some pics if anyone is thinking of going the TTI route. I got the 6.1 Hemi swap into a B/E body with torsion bars un-coated part number TT61HC-C0 these are 1-3/4" tubes Worth $642.00 dollars? You decide... I would say these headers are good from far but far from great I would have rather they not ground down the welds. Passenger side collector looks like crap Driver side collector not too bad As long as the headers seal they shouldn't be too bad and with a black ceramic coat they should perform ok I feel that quality wise they are a little below the quality of my Doug's D453 headers but I was able to get those for about $500 bucks Oh well, I guess you get what you pay for... 73 `Cuda Instagram: @rylispro YouTube: RylisPro www.rylispro.com 925-214-9192

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: RylisPro] #1709958 02/07/15 01:09 AM 02/07/15 01:09 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,089 Sorrento, BC, Canada 4speeds4me master
4speeds4me master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,089 Sorrento, BC, Canada	Got my Doug's D4477R's today- $345USD. They may be only 1 5/8" tubes, but IMHO more quality looking than those TTI's. The smaller tube isn't going to hurt at my intended performance level. Besides, after reading the "Slick-Built Small Block" article in the April issue of Mopar Muscle, I've come to the conclusion that the less than 1% improvement they saw on that stroker (which would never be felt in the seat-of-the-pants) I'm a-gonna be happy with my buy... 2 Demons...no, not my kids!

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: 4speeds4me] #1709959 02/07/15 01:18 AM 02/07/15 01:18 AM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	My other complaint about the TTI'S is why put the o2 bungs on the outside of the collectors where rocks from the front tires can kill them? Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: 72Swinger] #1709960 02/07/15 01:21 AM 02/07/15 01:21 AM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,432 NorCal RylisPro top fuel
RylisPro top fuel Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,432 NorCal	One of the reasons why got uncoated headers. I'm going to have those plugged and weld o2 bungs in the number 1 and 8 tubes 73 `Cuda Instagram: @rylispro YouTube: RylisPro www.rylispro.com 925-214-9192

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: RylisPro] #1709961 02/07/15 02:36 AM 02/07/15 02:36 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,089 Sorrento, BC, Canada 4speeds4me master
4speeds4me master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,089 Sorrento, BC, Canada	Yeah, the Doug's are on the outside too! 8421699-image.jpg (139 downloads) 2 Demons...no, not my kids!

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: 72Swinger] #1709962 02/16/15 09:46 PM 02/16/15 09:46 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 240 Plano, Texas 6 68cuda440 enthusiast
68cuda440 enthusiast 6 Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 240 Plano, Texas	Quote: Quote: Quote: I don't take credit for this little gem, I learned it on FABO, but I think Wade Uchoog is using one. Does this little gem fit a 440? And will it spin one with 11.25:1 CR? -Michael Well the Mopar mini starter it is replacing was on my BB if that tells you anything lol. OK - I Guinea pigged today... this starter DOES NOT fit a 440. Definitely not one with a Quicktime Bellhousing. Starter is going back to the parts house now... either sticking with the stock Dakota mini starter with about 1/8" clearance between the starter lug and the block, or going to the RobbMC unit in all its clockable glory. Michael 1968 Barracuda Notchback Coupe 440 EFI 6-pack, T56 Magnum 6-spd

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: 68cuda440] #1709963 02/16/15 10:43 PM 02/16/15 10:43 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,577 Long Island, NY USA B BergmanAutoCraft master
BergmanAutoCraft master B Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,577 Long Island, NY USA	The Rob MC piece is nice but pricey. If it lasts forever then its worth it.

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: 68cuda440] #1709964 02/16/15 10:56 PM 02/16/15 10:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: I don't take credit for this little gem, I learned it on FABO, but I think Wade Uchoog is using one. Does this little gem fit a 440? And will it spin one with 11.25:1 CR? -Michael Well the Mopar mini starter it is replacing was on my BB if that tells you anything lol. OK - I Guinea pigged today... this starter DOES NOT fit a 440. Definitely not one with a Quicktime Bellhousing. Starter is going back to the parts house now... either sticking with the stock Dakota mini starter with about 1/8" clearance between the starter lug and the block, or going to the RobbMC unit in all its clockable glory. My bad Mike, I shouldn't have gotten so excited about it without further investigation. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: 68cuda440] #1709965 02/17/15 12:13 AM 02/17/15 12:13 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,395 The Pale Blue Dot Skeptic master
Skeptic master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,395 The Pale Blue Dot	Quote: Quote: Quote: Quote: I don't take credit for this little gem, I learned it on FABO, but I think Wade Uchoog is using one. Does this little gem fit a 440? And will it spin one with 11.25:1 CR? -Michael Well the Mopar mini starter it is replacing was on my BB if that tells you anything lol. OK - I Guinea pigged today... this starter DOES NOT fit a 440. Definitely not one with a Quicktime Bellhousing. Starter is going back to the parts house now... either sticking with the stock Dakota mini starter with about 1/8" clearance between the starter lug and the block, or going to the RobbMC unit in all its clockable glory. Where is the interference? I bought one to go on my low deck, first thing I noticed was that one of the mounting holes is tapped. I was holding off on drilling it out, so I could return it. Right now I have to drop the K member and pull the master to get the header out. Then I'm dropping my pants for a set of TTI's

Re: TTI's for Borgeson Box [Re: Skeptic] #1709966 02/17/15 12:53 AM 02/17/15 12:53 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 240 Plano, Texas 6 68cuda440 enthusiast
68cuda440 enthusiast 6 Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 240 Plano, Texas	Quote: Where is the interference? I bought one to go on my low deck, first thing I noticed was that one of the mounting holes is tapped. Don't drill!!! The solenoid clocking puts the solenoid into the block. Just to make sure we are on the same page here, I am referring to the starter that fits a 2005+ Dodge Ram 1500 with a 5 speed transmission shown about 28 posts back. http://s626.photobucket.com/user/bdhmbre/media/IMAG0323_zpsgj3irgs0.jpg.html Michael 1968 Barracuda Notchback Coupe 440 EFI 6-pack, T56 Magnum 6-spd

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