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Re: See anything fishy with this tag?
[Re: ErikR]
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12/10/14 11:22 AM
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I contacted the seller through the 'ask the seller a question feature' on ebay. Just letting you know, as others have already, the fender tag on this car is fake and a fraudulent reproduction. You should consider removing it from the car and this auction, and since you are selling it you'd be the one one the hook for passing it off as original to the car but you'd probably just plead ignorance I guess. Well consider yourself informed and you might want to revise the auction to indicate it's a fraudulent tag. This car lost it's tag many years ago and was never a purple car. You think they will post my question/make it public so others bidding on the auction can see it? 
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Re: See anything fishy with this tag?
[Re: ErikR]
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12/10/14 11:42 AM
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got a fast and shady reply form the seller,
We are selling as a tribute car,,we know that it was a 383 car, originally purple ( we were told by original owner) and original 4 speed car,, We don't care much about the tag but thanks for the info,, many have told us,, We do not misrepresent any of our cars!! have a great day Stuart 954 958 0000
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Re: See anything fishy with this tag?
[Re: ErikR]
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12/10/14 04:18 PM
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got a fast and shady reply form the seller,
We are selling as a tribute car,,we know that it was a 383 car, originally purple ( we were told by original owner) and original 4 speed car,, We don't care much about the tag but thanks for the info,, many have told us,, We do not misrepresent any of our cars!! have a great day Stuart 954 958 0000
Used car salesman translation:
"Somebody sold us this car and told us it was an original purple car with a white interior. We dropped in a $20,000 68 Hemi. We don't give a %$#^ about the numbers and we don't want to know anything truthful about this car. Go away and let us sell this to an uninformed Rich guy while people think these cars are worth $3.5 million. Hey this one is a steal and we know how to talk so we can't get sued"!!!!
I sent him another e-mail last night simular to yours, telling him that the Mopar Nation had all the real information on this car and that he was a liar. That the car was a blue on blue car. I called into question his dealership and their reputation and the legality of it all. He didn't answer me yet. I am not gonna hold my breath.
Sad thing is this is probably a $75,000 car as it sits without the bogus tag.
69 Road Runner vert
69 GTX hard top
70 Road Runner 4 speed
70 Hemi Cuda vert
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Re: See anything fishy with this tag?
[Re: MOPARMIKE69]
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12/10/14 04:21 PM
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I sent him another e-mail last night simular to yours, telling him that the Mopar Nation had all the real information on this car and that he was a liar. That the car was a blue on blue car. I called into question his dealership and their reputation and the legality of it all. He didn't answer me yet. I am not gonna hold my breath.
If this was a certian dealer in the southeast he would be forwarding all the emails to his lawyer to sue the lot of you for defaming his name and his product ... then go on to brag about how many people he claims to have won settlements against ...
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Re: See anything fishy with this tag?
[Re: JohnRR]
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12/10/14 05:47 PM
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I sent him another e-mail last night simular to yours, telling him that the Mopar Nation had all the real information on this car and that he was a liar. That the car was a blue on blue car. I called into question his dealership and their reputation and the legality of it all. He didn't answer me yet. I am not gonna hold my breath.
If this was a certian dealer in the southeast he would be forwarding all the emails to his lawyer to sue the lot of you for defaming his name and his product ... then go on to brag about how many people he claims to have won settlements against ...
seller needs to be called out on the fake tag, too bad for the uninformed future buyer of this car if they think the tag is original and legitimate.
Oh yeah Mike your post reminded me that it was Mike in NY who had the hemi dropped in sometime right before he died. I wasn't involved much at this point with Mike and the details of the build, but the guy he bought the engine from is a sort of well-known (cough, cough notorious) hemi guy from long island. you guys in the know can put the clues together, but if it were my car right now I'd tear down that engine completely and see whats what.
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Re: See anything fishy with this tag?
[Re: dan9]
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12/11/14 02:45 PM
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A stretch of the imagination is if we "restore" these cars and sell them, are we responsible if they have a catastropic failure causing injury to someone?
I'm sure with the mindset today of not being responsible for your actions that the family of some nitwit that killed himself driving a car faster than the legal speed limit, showing off, or whatever, would hire a lawyer to sue the person that sold said nitwit the car he killed him/her self in.
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Re: See anything fishy with this tag?
[Re: dan9]
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12/11/14 03:53 PM
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On the "legality" of the fender tag would the last guy to own the car with the fake tag be responsible for it. Could he go back on the guy who bought the tag and placed it there? For the so-called possible uninformed future buyer would he have recourse on who installed the Hemi? These issues will get more cloudy in the future. If you read Hemmings there are a lot of Cobra replicas listed with very confusing wording. It would be interesting to see any real results of legal action and who would be left holding the bag. A stretch of the imagination is if we "restore" these cars and sell them, are we responsible if they have a catastropic failure causing injury to someone?
There is no such thing as an illegal fender tag. They are not covered by any laws that I am aware of so people can do what they want. That's why forums like this and the registries are so valuable.
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Re: See anything fishy with this tag?
[Re: dan9]
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12/12/14 03:33 PM
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Basically IF any civil/criminal action where to result over misrepresentation of said vehicle before/during/after it's sale/ownership/etc,...the one bringing forth suit, would have to show proof of intent, not a bunch of he said/he did, would have/could have, actual intent to defraud, and the actual "loss" one incurred, rather than a perceived loss
Basically it's a bunch of horse dodo regarding the fender tag, no one knows when, how, why, what for?, nor can they prove it...if one is so concerned about the "pedigree" of their investment, then they should spend the time/money to make sure their portfolio is sound in it's investments
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Re: See anything fishy with this tag?
[Re: DAYCLONA]
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12/12/14 04:27 PM
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This thread was never meant to become an arm chair lawyer discussion. No one on here ever tried to slander anyone so it's not about that. Here is what it is about. I was very interested in buying this car but saw a fake fender tag. Part of doing my research on this car before the auction ended, brought me here where the truth came out about this car with pictures. The truth revealed here, with this car's specific history, with pictures, was shared with the selling agency. Even after they were made aware of the truth and the facts, by more than one person, they chose to still stick to their original selling story now knowing it was incorrect.  The lesson to be learned here is one that is as old as mankind. Buyer beware and the truth shall set you free! The auction ended at $58,000 with a no sale. I made an offer much higher than this based on the information I was told by the seller, and good for me they declined it. So the Moparts conection was and continues to be a great asset to all of us. Thanks  Those who took this on a speculative legal mumbo jumbo direction just like to  and  Thanks again to all who made a helpful contribution. Carry on 
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