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Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: Kern Dog] #1701070
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That totally depends on the car, the brake package and the year.




Best answer so far!!!!
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Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: dart4forte] #1701071
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Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: 469runner] #1701072
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Here is a pic from a 69 Dart GTS with KH power disc brakes. I believe that it is original.

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Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: rarefish] #1701073
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Here is a pic from a 69 Dart GTS with KH power disc brakes. I believe that it is original.




There's a situation where I could believe the master to be natural but you clearly have a nice correctly stamped Black lid and bail. Are there any remnants of Black paint on the MC body?
Ron

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Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: RJS] #1701074
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Pictures can be deceiving but it looks like remnants of black paint on the master to me.

Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: Alaskan_TA] #1701075
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MS - Master Cylinder.

I meant to type MC.





....and I was just following suit so Barry wouldn't feel bad!


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Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: burdar] #1701076
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Here is another pic of the MC. I tried to clean some of the loose rust off with a tooth bush back near the mounting nut. I can't saw for sure if it was once painted black or not. I'm leaning toward that it was.
I just bought this Dart from a friend's estate. It has only 10,000 miles on it and had been in storage since 1974. Lots of original things are still intact.

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Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: rarefish] #1701077
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If you soak the master in EvapoRust, any paint that is left on it will reappear.

Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: burdar] #1701078
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and I'm just wondering if there's an answer in my future

Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: dart4forte] #1701079
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Charger, Road Runner, & Super Bee Authentic Restoration Guide written by Paul Herd page 95 states, Master Cylinders 1968 "The cylinder itself should be painted cast-iron gray to simulate the fresh-cast look, and the cover and hold down clamp should have cadmium gold appearance. Page 95 goes onto state The Federally-Mandated dual circuit cylinder first appeared on 1967 models. Both 67 & 68 used Part number 2808599. Chrysler Muscle Car Parts Interchange Manual written by Paul Herd page 85 shows part number 2808599 applicable to 1967-69 Barracuda, Fury, Monaco, Newport, New Yorker, and Polara. 1967 - 68 Belvedere, Charger, and Coronet, with drum brakes. Used in both power and non-power assisted applications.

Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: Bee Nice] #1701080
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I can live with that. Looks like that's a book I should get.

Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: Bee Nice] #1701081
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Charger, Road Runner, & Super Bee Authentic Restoration Guide written by Paul Herd page 95 states, Master Cylinders 1968 "The cylinder itself should be painted cast-iron gray to simulate the fresh-cast look, and the cover and hold down clamp should have cadmium gold appearance. Page 95 goes onto state The Federally-Mandated dual circuit cylinder first appeared on 1967 models. Both 67 & 68 used Part number 2808599. Chrysler Muscle Car Parts Interchange Manual written by Paul Herd page 85 shows part number 2808599 applicable to 1967-69 Barracuda, Fury, Monaco, Newport, New Yorker, and Polara. 1967 - 68 Belvedere, Charger, and Coronet, with drum brakes. Used in both power and non-power assisted applications.



2808599 is a drum brake master cylinder. 67-70 drum brake Mopars all used the same master cylinder and it had the bolt on style cap. Generally accepted to be cast iron with plated cap, though I have NOS examples that have the body E coated black with a plated cap.
The OP asked about a disc brake master cylinder. All the Mopar disc brake master cylinders from '67-'70 were painted gloss black except the flange and the area by the outlets where protective plugs were installed prior to painting. Here is an NOS assembly line '67-'70 A body manual disc brake master cylinder casting number 2225541 date coded 212th day of '69. Interestingly has a splotch of white paint on the front of the bore area of the casting.

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Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: Mastershake340] #1701082
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Charger, Road Runner, & Super Bee Authentic Restoration Guide written by Paul Herd page 95 states, Master Cylinders 1968 "The cylinder itself should be painted cast-iron gray to simulate the fresh-cast look, and the cover and hold down clamp should have cadmium gold appearance. Page 95 goes onto state The Federally-Mandated dual circuit cylinder first appeared on 1967 models. Both 67 & 68 used Part number 2808599. Chrysler Muscle Car Parts Interchange Manual written by Paul Herd page 85 shows part number 2808599 applicable to 1967-69 Barracuda, Fury, Monaco, Newport, New Yorker, and Polara. 1967 - 68 Belvedere, Charger, and Coronet, with drum brakes. Used in both power and non-power assisted applications.



2808599 is a drum brake master cylinder. 67-70 drum brake Mopars all used the same master cylinder and it had the bolt on style cap. Generally accepted to be cast iron with plated cap, though I have NOS examples that have the body E coated black with a plated cap.
The OP asked about a disc brake master cylinder. All the Mopar disc brake master cylinders from '67-'70 were painted gloss black except the flange and the area by the outlets where protective plugs were installed prior to painting. Here is an NOS assembly line '67-'70 A body manual disc brake master cylinder casting number 2225541 date coded 212th day of '69. Interestingly has a splotch of white paint on the front of the bore area of the casting.




I have the 541. So you say black is the color. Mine is date coded late 67

Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: dart4forte] #1701083
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Yours should look exactly like the assembly line example shown above. Put some protective plugs in the outlets before painting, and you are good to go.

Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: Mastershake340] #1701084
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Cool. Thanks

Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: dart4forte] #1701085
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I can live with that. Looks like that's a book I should get.


I myself would not use that book for reference restoration.

Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: mccannix] #1701086
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I can live with that. Looks like that's a book I should get.


I myself would not use that book for reference restoration.




There are lots of mistakes in that book.



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Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: DPelletier] #1701087
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I can live with that. Looks like that's a book I should get.


I myself would not use that book for reference restoration.




There are lots of mistakes in that book.



Dave




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Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: RJS] #1701088
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I can live with that. Looks like that's a book I should get.


I myself would not use that book for reference restoration.




There are lots of mistakes in that book.



Dave




Ditto
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There are lots of mistakes in every car book article I've ever seen or read
I own a 1969 Dart GTS 383 4 speed car without power brakes, it has the stock Kelsey Hayes front disc brakes on it, this is the M.C. that was on it when I bought it in the early 1990s,(this car was sold at Saddleback dodge in Orange County, CA in late 1968) it works very well, it doesn't seem to have a residual valve in the back half of the M.C., the front tires spin as easy as any other front disc brake Mopar I have owned, drivened and worked on or raced

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Re: Master Cylinder Color [Re: Cab_Burge] #1701089
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I can live with that. Looks like that's a book I should get.


I myself would not use that book for reference restoration.




There are lots of mistakes in that book.



Dave




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There are lots of mistakes in every car book article I've ever seen or read
I own a 1969 Dart GTS 383 4 speed car without power brakes, it has the stock Kelsey Hayes front disc brakes on it, this is the M.C. that was on it when I bought it in the early 1990s,(this car was sold at Saddleback dodge in Orange County, CA in late 1968) it works very well, it doesn't seem to have a residual valve in the back half of the M.C., the front tires spin as easy as any other front disc brake Mopar I have owned, drivened and worked on or raced




According to themoparman (Wayne) who restores M/Cs you should have M/C 2225541 which has the 1" bore suited for the A body manual and disk brakes. Looks like you have a manual brake M/C. It also looks like someone like orange.

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