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Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: Quicktree] #1700031
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I'll go out on a limb and say Monte will say front anyway I would replace the front first if it were my car. but what do I know




Just curious why fronts? What is your thinking behind this. If it spins at the hit on greasy track what would fronts help?


because the 90/10s are going slam open bottom out and fall back down and unload the tires. maybe In am wrong, a little tire spin may not hurt him that much. he still has adjustment on the rear.




My reasoning is once the 90/10 extends it stays extended. I would want a shock that settles shortly after initial launch


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Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: sixpackgut] #1700032
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once the shock bottoms out all weight transfer stops, instant tire spin

Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: sixpackgut] #1700033
12/23/14 11:48 PM
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I have the same dilemma. I have Rancho 9 ways on the back and the Caltrac 90/10 on the front. My D50 will hook on the hit pull the wheels then spin badly. When it was hooking it would carry the tires about 45-50 ft. then the front would come down hard and unload the rears.
I am thinking about putting the stock front shocks back on it.
This is a picture of the landing.


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Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: sixpackgut] #1700034
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I'll go out on a limb and say Monte will say front anyway I would replace the front first if it were my car. but what do I know




Just curious why fronts? What is your thinking behind this. If it spins at the hit on greasy track what would fronts help?


because the 90/10s are going slam open bottom out and fall back down and unload the tires. maybe In am wrong, a little tire spin may not hurt him that much. he still has adjustment on the rear.




My reasoning is once the 90/10 extends it stays extended. I would want a shock that settles shortly after initial launch




I like that reason better. But I would tie it down more and do rears.


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Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: 1967dartgt] #1700035
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I'll go out on a limb and say Monte will say front anyway I would replace the front first if it were my car. but what do I know




Just curious why fronts? What is your thinking behind this. If it spins at the hit on greasy track what would fronts help?


because the 90/10s are going slam open bottom out and fall back down and unload the tires. maybe In am wrong, a little tire spin may not hurt him that much. he still has adjustment on the rear.




My reasoning is once the 90/10 extends it stays extended. I would want a shock that settles shortly after initial launch




I like that reason better. But I would tie it down more and do rears.




Exactly what one of my 4 second fast friends said to do


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Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: sixpackgut] #1700036
12/24/14 12:26 AM
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I like that reason better. But I would tie it down more and do rears.




Exactly what one of my 4 second fast friends said to do




Didnt you say you have poly bushings in the front..
they can cause issues if they bind up.. how much travel
do you have

Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1700037
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I like that reason better. But I would tie it down more and do rears.




Exactly what one of my 4 second fast friends said to do




Didnt you say you have poly bushings in the front..
they can cause issues if they bind up.. how much travel
do you have





I ment huge poly bump stops. If i said bushings, i mispoke. I also just asked a simple question and also said my car makes it down the track nearly every time with 6 year old radials although i do realize my 60 is only 1.41-42


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Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: sixpackgut] #1700038
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I like that reason better. But I would tie it down more and do rears.




Exactly what one of my 4 second fast friends said to do




Didnt you say you have poly bushings in the front..
they can cause issues if they bind up.. how much travel
do you have





I ment huge poly bump stops. If i said bushings, i mispoke. I also just asked a simple question and also said my car makes it down the track nearly every time with 6 year old radials although i do realize my 60 is only 1.41-42




Ok

Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1700039
12/24/14 02:12 AM
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I DON'T like 3 ways on the front of anything.........I don't care how good guys think they work. If the front doesn't work, the rear never will...........so that is my answer.........FRONTS

Monte

Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: Monte_Smith] #1700040
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I DON'T like 3 ways on the front of anything.........I don't care how good guys think they work. If the front doesn't work, the rear never will...........so that is my answer.........FRONTS

Monte


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Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: D-50] #1700041
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I have the same dilemma. I have Rancho 9 ways on the back and the Caltrac 90/10 on the front. My D50 will hook on the hit pull the wheels then spin badly. When it was hooking it would carry the tires about 45-50 ft. then the front would come down hard and unload the rears.
I am thinking about putting the stock front shocks back on it.
This is a picture of the landing.


in your case you need to replace both front and back.

Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: Quicktree] #1700042
12/24/14 11:26 AM
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I DON'T like 3 ways on the front of anything.........I don't care how good guys think they work. If the front doesn't work, the rear never will...........so that is my answer.........FRONTS

Monte


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Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: D-50] #1700043
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I have the same dilemma. I have Rancho 9 ways on the back and the Caltrac 90/10 on the front. My D50 will hook on the hit pull the wheels then spin badly. When it was hooking it would carry the tires about 45-50 ft. then the front would come down hard and unload the rears.
I am thinking about putting the stock front shocks back on it.
This is a picture of the landing.




That's exactly what mine was doing with the Caltrac 90/10s on it. I tried some QA1 single adjustables and got it to at least not land the front tires and start spinning the rears - but I haven't got it to hook as well at the hit yet. After some review - MY problem may very well be old slicks. I'll have to buy a new set and start over.

Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: Duner] #1700044
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Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: Gary Robbins] #1700045
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Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: D-50] #1700046
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I have the same dilemma. I have Rancho 9 ways on the back and the Caltrac 90/10 on the front. My D50 will hook on the hit pull the wheels then spin badly. When it was hooking it would carry the tires about 45-50 ft. then the front would come down hard and unload the rears.
I am thinking about putting the stock front shocks back on it.
This is a picture of the landing.


Stock shocks will be WORSE, much worse. You MUST control the RATE of the rise, or it tops the suspension and spins the tires.

I have seen your truck run. Fairly light, not huge power and a big tire. It dead sticks the tire and jerks the front up very quickly. Needs a better shock to control the front on launch and landing

Monte

Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: Quicktree] #1700047
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I DON'T like 3 ways on the front of anything.........I don't care how good guys think they work. If the front doesn't work, the rear never will...........so that is my answer.........FRONTS

Monte


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Santhuffs is 25mins from me and i spoke to him a while back he said the same thing, he rather see guys use a high quaility shock with travel up front and if you have to go cheap then do it on the rear shocks not the fronts

Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: Cheatham] #1700048
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The money i have spent on the front end in the last 3 months.'Trying to get the abody notchback barracuda to hook consistent.last time out with the car i lost in the 5 round.had him .15 on the tree.car spun tires .2 in 60 ft.car did not run #.I told myself i got to fix this car.lost to a mustang. I've been eyeing the tube chassie duster $$$
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Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: Monte_Smith] #1700049
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I DON'T like 3 ways on the front of anything.........I don't care how good guys think they work. If the front doesn't work, the rear never will...........so that is my answer.........FRONTS

Monte




On. Chad's car, what is the range of front end travel? I'm sure this changes but what is min and max you use on that car? Same Q for your dusty GTX when it was mopar powered


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Re: Lots of shock questions lately [Re: sixpackgut] #1700050
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I DON'T like 3 ways on the front of anything.........I don't care how good guys think they work. If the front doesn't work, the rear never will...........so that is my answer.........FRONTS

Monte


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Nothing warms my heart more than quicktree and Monte agreeing on something during the winter, then again they both live in the south


I agree with Monte on 99.9% of everything. only thing I have never been able to convince him of is pinion angle. but im still working on that and by the way he is way more smarter than I am.

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