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There is always a "grey" area in the rules. It simply said, "fuel must pass this and this spec"..........so if it does NOT say, you can't use this and you can't use this, as long as the fuel passed fuel check, he was legal. Because they DO check pro-Stock fuel after every run. So the obvious answer was "spec fuel". This takes the load off the tech dept and trying to figure out what guys MIGHT come up with for additives.

Don't get me wrong, I am not defending anybody, just pointing out the mindset in a class such as this. EVERY team is looking for ANY advantage they can find and think they can get away with. Just like every chassis builder has body templates and they build the body to those templates. Now what the teams do AFTER that........who knows. Several teams have had bodies tossed and you KNOW it didn't come from Haas, Bickel, or Jones like that.

So bodies "tweaked", blocks bored "not straight", fuel "mixed", "hidden" shifters, "one off" shocks and a myriad of other things is just common everyday events in a class like this, where .001 MATTERS. So in the big picture..........they are ALL "cheaters"........LOL!!......So as smart as all these guys are, when one team all of a sudden "finds" a mph. You can bet they are being "creative" somewhere and tech WILL find it eventually

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They ALL cheat is some shape, form or fashion. Some get caught, some don't. The great Smokey Yunick said if you aren't cheating, you aren't winning and that was the cold blooded truth. If you think your favorite team or driver is a bunch of "angels" who never attempts to circumvent the rule book........you live in LaLa land. And another thing, if it doesn't specifically say you CAN'T do something in the rule book, that makes it legal in mosts eyes.

You violate a "written" rule, they hit you pretty hard. Operate in the "grey area" of something not plainly spelled out, you get a "slap" and the rule clarified. Anyone who has ever seriously class raced knows how it works

Monte

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I might agree with you on the fuel cheating charge Jeg got popped for. I don't remember the EXACT issue, but it bordered on the fact that what he was blending was almost not a "gasoline" or even a "racing fuel". I really just kind of blew that off as racers being racers, then the details came out. I then thought maybe Jeg was over the line.

BUT, when he was caught, red handed, in Seattle, I realized that probably the fuel deal was as big a deal as WJ (and several others) made it out to be. The cheating is Seattle was the fact that at that time, in Pro Stock you could use an "electronic" shifter. I can't remember what the actual rule was (I don't save all my rule books any more) but the driver was still supposed to push the little button on top of the shifter. For the record, I hated the rule when it came out. Anyway, they (ESPN cameras) caught JEG, with BOTH hands on the wheel and the car shifting. We could all see it, and Ray Charles could hear it. The car was loose, but it shifted, and Jeg had BOTH hands on the wheel.


Yup, that's a CHEATER. By the money [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] (prostitute) AKA NHRA did very little because they didn't want to kill that goose.

Jeg=Cheater. Plain and simple.

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Well Hell that's nothing new,us Bracket Racers have auto shifts for years,nothing like having both hands on the wheel and the shift noid not only shifts it into the next gear but shifts it at the perfect & same RPM everytime! Us Bracket Racers have lots more things than just shift noids,and it would not surprise me if some of them had made their way into Pro-Stock as well other class's.

It matters not what class you Race if you want to Win you have got to do what ever it takes.

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The more money involved..........the more the "win at all costs" mentality prevails. In the PRO ranks.....it is strictly BUSINESS.

Just like everyone harping on Force and Schumaker teams allegedly "diving" to help team mates win the title. It's strickly a business decision and part of the reason for multi car teams. Same way NASCAR teams have other members "block" or "wreck" somebody to help their guys win. All the same.........WIN.

I do "hidden" nitrous systems for guys all the time. What they do with them is their business. Have also built "on board" VHT sprayer systems for street racers. What about 500" motors with 383 "pie tins" on the breather. There is a fine line between what many call "cheating" and others call "creativity"

Not saying it is right..........its just how it is

Monte

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Perfect example as to why I have no time for professional sports of any kind.

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Mark Ingersoll won't be unemployed for long. Richard Freeman has confirmed to us that Elite Motorsports is in the process of hiring the championship tuner. Look for a formal announcement as soon as next week.

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But no way in hell can you defend what he did as operating in a "grey" area when the rule said the driver had to shift the car, and Jeg's car magically changed gears WITH BOTH HANDS ON THE WHEEL. Now, if you want to say he was "endowed" with a gift that let him shift with out his hands, that's on you.

So, taking it on the whole, Jeg is a bona fide cheater. You can call him "creative". I won't. He was/is/always will be a CHEATER.

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Maybe he had his shift button on the steering wheel.

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The more money involved..........the more the "win at all costs" mentality prevails. In the PRO ranks.....it is strictly BUSINESS.

Just like everyone harping on Force and Schumaker teams allegedly "diving" to help team mates win the title. It's strickly a business decision and part of the reason for multi car teams. Same way NASCAR teams have other members "block" or "wreck" somebody to help their guys win. All the same.........WIN.

I do "hidden" nitrous systems for guys all the time. What they do with them is their business. Have also built "on board" VHT sprayer systems for street racers. What about 500" motors with 383 "pie tins" on the breather. There is a fine line between what many call "cheating" and others call "creativity"

Not saying it is right..........its just how it is

Monte

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Monte,lets keep our Grudge & Bracket Racing secret's a secret!
I bet everybody thinks that's a Joke,but its not!Some of us have things that others looking for it can look right at it and not see it!

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The more money involved..........the more the "win at all costs" mentality prevails. In the PRO ranks.....it is strictly BUSINESS.

Just like everyone harping on Force and Schumaker teams allegedly "diving" to help team mates win the title. It's strickly a business decision and part of the reason for multi car teams. Same way NASCAR teams have other members "block" or "wreck" somebody to help their guys win. All the same.........WIN.

I do "hidden" nitrous systems for guys all the time. What they do with them is their business. Have also built "on board" VHT sprayer systems for street racers. What about 500" motors with 383 "pie tins" on the breather. There is a fine line between what many call "cheating" and others call "creativity"

Not saying it is right..........its just how it is

Monte

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Monte,lets keep our Grudge & Bracket Racing secret's a secret!
I bet everybody thinks that's a Joke,but its not!Some of us have things that others looking for it can look right at it and not see it!

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I always failed to see even the most remote gratification in a win with anything but integrity. Maybe thats just me.

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I always wondered how people who cheated to win sleep at night!

Or looked their competitors in the eye!
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How could a person honestly feel good about their win, knowing damn good and well they cheated?!

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The devil, ego, corrupts many people at many levels in every walk of life, especially in sports and politics I like to be honest, straight forward and not have to remember which lie I told to which person

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How could a person honestly feel good about their win, knowing damn good and well they cheated?!

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The devil, ego, corrupts many people at many levels in every walk of life, especially in sports and politics I like to be honest, straight forward and not have to remember which lie I told to which person

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I guess I'm wired a bit differently. If I won an event, and got a trophy or something, and knowing I didn't get it honestly. I would feel sick to my stomach and couldn't be happy about it at all.

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I believe that is what is known as having a conscience.