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The future of Carbs??
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11/08/14 06:14 PM
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www.silverbackcarbs.comInteresting spin, 4 power valves, overlapping butterflies big hole like a predator. It looks like the primary is a conventional butterly, but the secondary looks like it retracts into the body...just like an old GM station wagon, lol
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Re: The future of Carbs??
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11/08/14 07:34 PM
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It's a laudable engineering exercise, but I'll believe the horsepower/torque increase claims when I see independent back-to-back dyno testing against a properly tuned conventional style carb.
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Re: The future of Carbs??
[Re: Streetwize]
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11/08/14 09:36 PM
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It looks like the primary is a conventional butterly, but the secondary looks like it retracts into the body
Look again and watch the indentations on the "butterfly" ... the whole thing is a slide.
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Re: The future of Carbs??
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I thought about the SV-1 and wondered why you couldnt have a smaller round butterfly on the same common shaft as the larger one is that through part throttle only the smaller ( internal ) one would open but as more airflow was needed the larger/outer one would open to reclose/overtake the smaller one as it transitioned to WOT. Kind oflike a progressive only one inside the other.
Another way to do it would be like a camera IRIS or a vertical series of wicket gates ( like they use to throttle a hydroelectric turbine) or some variable vane turbos.
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Re: The future of Carbs??
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11/12/14 11:08 AM
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One of those carbs + a Rev-a-nator and gain 100 hp! Let me grab my credit card. I'll be in the 8s N/A!!! 
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Re: The future of Carbs??
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11/12/14 03:04 PM
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I checked them out at SEMA...Definitely different for sure. Looks to me like they just over complicated something that was not broken.
Oh yeah also checked out the new line of Dominator style Chinese carbs that will no doubt hit the market soon too.
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Re: The future of Carbs??
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11/12/14 03:42 PM
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The Silverback with it's list price of $2595
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Re: The future of Carbs??
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11/12/14 03:43 PM
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That sounds really great! Thank you. I'll warn you before I call.
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Re: The future of Carbs??
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11/12/14 04:58 PM
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It looks to have just as many adjustments to get you really screwed up like EFI does too
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Re: The future of Carbs??
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11/12/14 05:24 PM
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It looks to have just as many adjustments to get you really screwed up like EFI does too
EFI is intimidating to many.........but the thing you have to remember, it only does what you TELL it to do. Fuel is fuel and it takes a certain amount to make a certain power, depending on your BSFC. So if you have dyno sheets with fuel numbers from your carbs, building a fuel map for EFI is pretty damn easy............Plus many of the current ECUs have a "self learn" feature that you simply turn on, drive the car and it will adjust the fuel map for you. I use this feature all the time, even on race cars. I get the car to crank and idle, then take if for a little drive. My neighbors are used to seeing Pro-nitrous cars and the like driving down the street.........LOL!!! This is the easiest way to get a little drivability and THEN you work on getting it on the brake and that type stuff. An EFI car is NEVER over carbed, or getting TOO MUCH air, or has slow air speed. It uses what it NEEDS to go with the volume of fuel you have. So essentially ALL you are tuning is the fuel volume, which in the big picture is easier than a carb, with air bleeds, emulsion jets, main jets, etc and relies on air speed through it to meter all that.
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Re: The future of Carbs??
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11/12/14 05:32 PM
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$2595?? To quote Michael Caine..."Excuse me while I fall down Laughing!!" I was thinking no more than an SV1 BTW, Say a prayer for Patrick James at Pro Systems, he was in a pretty serious car wreck a little while back but he is recovering comfortably.
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Re: The future of Carbs??
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11/12/14 05:50 PM
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It looks to have just as many adjustments to get you really screwed up like EFI does too
EFI is intimidating to many.........but the thing you have to remember, it only does what you TELL it to do. Fuel is fuel and it takes a certain amount to make a certain power, depending on your BSFC. So if you have dyno sheets with fuel numbers from your carbs, building a fuel map for EFI is pretty damn easy............Plus many of the current ECUs have a "self learn" feature that you simply turn on, drive the car and it will adjust the fuel map for you. I use this feature all the time, even on race cars. I get the car to crank and idle, then take if for a little drive. My neighbors are used to seeing Pro-nitrous cars and the like driving down the street.........LOL!!! This is the easiest way to get a little drivability and THEN you work on getting it on the brake and that type stuff. An EFI car is NEVER over carbed, or getting TOO MUCH air, or has slow air speed. It uses what it NEEDS to go with the volume of fuel you have. So essentially ALL you are tuning is the fuel volume, which in the big picture is easier than a carb, with air bleeds, emulsion jets, main jets, etc and relies on air speed through it to meter all that.
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I agree Monte! My comment was more on the smart a## side 
But were I was coming from mainly is-- there ARE adjustments and worse yet knob to turn. Guys can't leave that stuff alone!
Then pretty soon you will hear "that pos EFI or Carb isn't worth s##t!" 
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Re: The future of Carbs??
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11/12/14 06:02 PM
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Manual FI like the terminator & toilet bowl work better than any carb. will.But make no mistake the carb. won't be going away anytime soon!
As for the new carb. I learned my lesson in the 80's on wasting $$$ on all of that to good to be true newest,latest,greatest crap!
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Re: The future of Carbs??
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11/12/14 06:14 PM
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Re: The future of Carbs??
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Do you guys think that someone will ever come up with a nitro carburetor?
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Re: The future of Carbs??
[Re: 1320Dart]
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11/14/14 10:01 PM
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The only problem with a nitro carb might be if it backfires it makes a mushroom cloud and blows engine shrapnel (including you)200 yards Try it Now!!! 
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