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Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? #1695123
11/06/14 12:27 PM 11/06/14 12:27 PM
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After finding out my 440 crank was shot. I decided to go with a 4.15 crank for my mild 440 build. Has anyone built a mild (hydraulic cam) 440 stroker for the street? What's your combo? What cam and what Hp torque number are you getting. Thanks

Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1695124
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I just purchased components for a 496 RB. I spoke with the techs at 440 Source. They said a mild (.550" or so) hydraulic cam would make good power, and should push a 3600 pound B-body into the mid-to-high elevens. They also recommended a solid cam from Comp Cams (XTQ2945-8. It has .579" on exht and .567" on int. 108 lobe. 264/270 @.50. Said it helps with detonation if you're running upper 10:1 compression. I bit the bullet and went sold roller. You only live once!
Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1695125
11/06/14 02:30 PM 11/06/14 02:30 PM
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Not Hyd, but I have a .530" solid flat tappet that is 260/266 @ 0.050 in a 493. Runs 11.60-70's with 516 heads and a 750 carb in the heat with 3.55s.

Was 530 hp at 5600, and gobs of torque

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Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: OUTLAWD] #1695126
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My 9:1 493 did basically 500 hp 600 ft/lbs with a MP509 and 1.7 rockers.

Kevin
Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: Twostick] #1695127
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493" RB
11-1 comp with stock RPM heads
cam is a hydraulic flat tappit scott brown 540 lift, with 265 ish duration (can't remember exact specs)
850 bigs carb
rpm intake
3800 stall
3:73 dana 60

Runs 11 flat @ 120 in a 3800 lb Dart.

codfish

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Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: codfish] #1695128
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We have built several street/strip 451" to 500" with the 509 and 550 Hyd cams,most ran low 11s over 3000lb and some in the high 10s at lesser weight.

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Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1695129
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I did some work on a friend's '70 Coronet R/T that has a 496" stroker 440, Edelbrock heads and a Comp .501"/292° hyd. flat tappet cam. Never been down the track (100% street car) but it runs very strong.

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'69 road runner, 440-6, 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon 340, no drivetrain, on blocks behind the barn
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1695130
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493, 10.3:1, Edelbrock RPM heads and intake, 236/244 @ .050 hyd flat tappet .532/.532, 565hp 635tq all by 5,300 RPM.
Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1695131
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What is your definition of mild?
Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: BSB67] #1695132
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Real mild. Well it's a long story. I wanted to go through my 440 6 pack motor in a car I recently bought. Started out I was going to do a Mr Six Pack cam and everything else refreshed stock stuff. Well Dwayne Porter convinced me to go with a Stealth head. Which he flowed right at 278 @ 500 lift. And after tearing the motor apart. We found the crank was shot.
So now I decided if I have to buy a crank. Why not a 4.15 stroker. I'm wondering how the Mr Six Pack cam (around .471 intake and 492 exhaust)will do in this 496. I want to keep this a mild stump puller. It will probably never see a race track. But a lot of stop light cruising. So I just wanted to see some other real street 496 combos. This will be in a heavy 70 Coronet R/T. Thanks

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Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1695133
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Cam will idle like stock and be very strong from idle.Make sure you don't run too much compression for the short duration of that cam.Put some 1.6 rockers on it(at least the intake)and let it eat.You can always add more cam later if you get bored with it.
Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1695134
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Real mild. Well it's a long story. I wanted to go through my 440 6 pack motor in a car I recently bought. Started out I was going to do a Mr Six Pack cam and everything else refreshed stock stuff. Well Dwayne Porter convinced me to go with a Stealth head. Which he flowed right at 278 @ 500 lift. And after tearing the motor apart. We found the crank was shot.
So now I decided if I have to buy a crank. Why not a 4.15 stroker. I'm wondering how the Mr Six Pack cam (around .471 intake and 492 exhaust)will do in this 496. I want to keep this a mild stump puller. It will probably never see a race track. But a lot of stop light cruising. So I just wanted to see some other real street 496 combos. This will be in a heavy 70 Coronet R/T. Thanks



Did you call Bob K. and ask his opinion on that cam? He has so many
profiles he uses for different builds..

1969 A12 R.R. 11.61 117.96 F.A.S.T. STOCK STROKE..
Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1695135
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Real mild. Well it's a long story. I wanted to go through my 440 6 pack motor in a car I recently bought. Started out I was going to do a Mr Six Pack cam and everything else refreshed stock stuff. Well Dwayne Porter convinced me to go with a Stealth head. Which he flowed right at 278 @ 500 lift. And after tearing the motor apart. We found the crank was shot.
So now I decided if I have to buy a crank. Why not a 4.15 stroker. I'm wondering how the Mr Six Pack cam (around .471 intake and 492 exhaust)will do in this 496. I want to keep this a mild stump puller. It will probably never see a race track. But a lot of stop light cruising. So I just wanted to see some other real street 496 combos. This will be in a heavy 70 Coronet R/T. Thanks

i'm going to go out a limb here but the ".471-.492" numbers look like engle ep series profiles,...? i'd suggest engle k58/k60 ground on a wide lsa if your using cast exhaust and the big cubes.
Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: Tommy D] #1695136
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I just purchased components for a 496 RB. I spoke with the techs at 440 Source. They said a mild (.550" or so) hydraulic cam would make good power, and should push a 3600 pound B-body into the mid-to-high elevens. They also recommended a solid cam from Comp Cams (XTQ2945-8. It has .579" on exht and .567" on int. 108 lobe. 264/270 @.50. Said it helps with detonation if you're running upper 10:1 compression. I bit the bullet and went sold roller. You only live once!


I have an XTQ grind in my 10.9 compression 493 with EZ heads and I spent many hours thinking about a roller but in the end I think I made the right choice with a flat tappet cam for my car.
My Savoy runs 10.91 with with a 3.54 gear in the back at 3560# with my 200 pound butt in the seat So small cams can work good in a stroker with good heads and compression.
Gus

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Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: fourgearsavoy] #1695137
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Yeah I called Bob and told him which cam I have. And he said it should be fine. Said to make sure to install the cam straight up. But he also said to let him know how it works out.
Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1695138
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Yeah I called Bob and told him which cam I have. And he said it should be fine. Said to make sure to install the cam straight up. But he also said to let him know how it works out.



I order a cam from Bob for my 451...
It's the best cam for street and strip application.
Have fun

Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1695139
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Yeah I called Bob and told him which cam I have. And he said it should be fine. Said to make sure to install the cam straight up. But he also said to let him know how it works out.



Bob likes to get feedback from his customers.. Jots it down in his note pad for future combos.. Many years of r@d in that garage..
I'M sure there has been mistakes too.

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Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1695140
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Yeah I called Bob and told him which cam I have. And he said it should be fine. Said to make sure to install the cam straight up. But he also said to let him know how it works out.



This is likely going to work out fine, and even backing it up a couple of degrees probably would not hurt. It will purr like a kitten and probably make surprising power. But using his bacis design and slightly larger lobes would probably put more power in it, and still be very docile down low.

Also, do the math on the dynamic compression ratio as you will see that you can probably get away with more compression ratio than you might think as the intake will be closing late relative to conventional thinking.

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Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: BSB67] #1695141
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BSB67, what's your combo in your Charger? Looks like a sweet running car.

Re: Anyone running a mild hydraulic cam 440 stroker? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #1695142
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Thanks

Pretty much in my sig.
Holley 950 carb
Indy 440-2D intake
Small roller cam





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