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1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? #1687498
10/18/14 09:36 PM
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Last week I dragged home a 67 Chrysler 300. I thought it had its original engine but the 4-4-68 casting date told me that it was a replacement engine. Now I started looking at the ID numbers and have found that while there is a machined flat spot on the RH side of the block near the oil pan rail, there is no number stamped there.
The raised pad near the distributor reads D440 6 21 HP with a sideways B inline with the LH side of the block.
Maybe a warrantee replacement? What does this do for the value as compared to another block with an actual VIN stamp?

Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: Kern Dog] #1687499
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In 1968 the vin was stamped at the rear of the block close to the oil pressure sending unit where the block and trans meet, if I recall correctly it was the complete vin not just the sequence

Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: Kern Dog] #1687500
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I think in 68 the vin# was stamped on the LR of the block close to oil sending unit?

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So I guess I need a mirror to see it unless I pull the engine. Great!

Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: Kern Dog] #1687502
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Just look from the top of the engine Maybe lay on top of the engine and look down you should be able to see the numbers

Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: Kern Dog] #1687503
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So I guess I need a mirror to see it unless I pull the engine. Great!




What difference does it make if you can see the VIN ?? It's not the original engine in the car obviously.

You don't have to pull the engine, or use a mirror, spray the area down good with brake parts cleaner, or hit it with a pressure washer, lay over the top of the engine while shinning a light down there and see what you can see ...

As far as warranty replacement goes, it seems to me that there are more warranty replacement engines out there than Chrysler actually changed under warranty ...

Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: lilred] #1687504
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Here's a non-matching pair of engine & transmission stampings for 1968.

Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: JohnRR] #1687505
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"What difference does it make if you can see the VIN ?? It's not the original engine in the car obviously."

No need to be rude.
My point was that a VIN stamping might shed light onto the original car the engine may have been installed in. There have been stories where people spend years looking for their original engines.

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Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: Kern Dog] #1687506
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Well we're waiting!! What numbers did you find?

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Either the numbers near the bell are filled with gunk or they are not there. I scraped but didn't see anything. I'll try again and report back.

Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: Kern Dog] #1687508
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It seems to me that all the 1968 wedge motors had the VIN stamp on the top of the motor like shown and stamp on one of the ears supporting the outside tranny bolts by the starter or the other side Either way a warrenty motor won't have a VIN number stamp on it, my 1970 V code Charger had a warrenty motor in it with a casting date of 4-19-1970 and the car had a schedule assembly date in late Oct 1969


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Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: Kern Dog] #1687509
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So if there is a pad machined on the right side of the block near the oil pan rail that would be unusual for a 68 engine...


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Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1687510
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It seems to me that all the 1968 wedge motors had the VIN stamp on the top of the motor like shown and stamp on one of the ears supporting the outside tranny bolts by the starter or the other side Either way a warrenty motor won't have a VIN number stamp on it, my 1970 V code Charger had a warrenty motor in it with a casting date of 4-19-1970 and the car had a schedule assembly date in late Oct 1969




Not all 68 motors were stamped back there, I would expect an HP motor to be stamped though. I pulled a 68 383 2bbl from it's original body , I still have the block, no VIN stamped on it.

A warranty motor shouldn't be stamped like a Production line motor , unless it was a complete motor pulled out of a line of pallets headed to an assembly plant. A motor would have to be much pretty blown up to get a full engine replaced.

Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: Kern Dog] #1687511
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"What difference does it make if you can see the VIN ?? It's not the original engine in the car obviously."

No need to be rude.
My point was that a VIN stamping might shed light onto the original car the engine may have been installed in. There have been stories where people spend years looking for their original engines.




It seemed to be acceptable for Hill ??

There are no records for 68 , best you will get it a platform or model line it COULD have been in depending on the build plant, but there are a few members that seem to be able to come up wit ha model fairly often ???

68 440 HP ??? GTX, Coronet R/T, Charger R/T or a C barge that was available with an HP 440 ...

Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: JohnRR] #1687512
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Not all 68 motors were stamped back there, I would expect an HP motor to be stamped though. I pulled a 68 383 2bbl from it's original body , I still have the block, no VIN stamped on it.





I used to own a '68 383 Dart. The block had no VIN stamping. At the time I knew a guy with a 383 68 Barracuda; his engine also had no VIN stamping. I have a 383 block in my garage right now, which was pulled from a 68 383 Dart, and is slated for my 68 383 convertible. It also has no VIN stamping.

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Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: rftroy] #1687513
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I am rebuilding a 383 out of a 68 Dart GTS right now and it has the VIN stamped on it like the picture shown above.


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Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: Rhinodart] #1687514
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I am rebuilding a 383 out of a 68 Dart GTS right now and it has the VIN stamped on it like the picture shown above.





Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: Rhinodart] #1687515
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1968 Model year: engines & transmissions

340s VIN stamp
HEMI VIN stamp
383 4bbl VIN stamp
440HP VIN stamp

440 NO stamp
383 2bbl NO stamp
318 NO stamp
273 NO stamp
/6 NO stamp

Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: JohnRR] #1687516
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Here is a 440 out of a Mr. Norms 68 Dart GSS with the VIN on the bellhousing rail too... (if only I could learn how to use a camera)

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Re: 1968 440 block with a blank VIN pad ?? [Re: JohnRR] #1687517
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I scraped a bit more and found a number right where it was suggested. I'm more familiar with 1970 and later engines so it was news to me that a 1968 engine would be stamped in such a strange area.
My numbers came up 8A333528 .
Thanks for the info. NO I will not delete this thread. I'm trying to be less rude than I used to be.

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