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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: feets] #1676945
11/03/14 09:57 PM
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Here's the back side of the caliper cooling duct.


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: feets] #1676946
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On a side note, these suckers are heavy!
They weigh more than my wheels!




Yep!

That's why I discourage people from going really big like I did on the hot rod. Those rotors are 37 pounds EACH. 74 pounds of spinning weight in just front rotors.


As for the uber cars, here's a pic I took of the front suspension on a Mercedes SLR. Notice the big duct running backwards. It leads to a cap that blows down over the top of the rotor.
The smaller duct runs into the center of the rotor behind the hub.

The carbon ceramic rotors have straight vanes.

These brakes tend to dump a bunch of heat and even flicker with flame when pushed hard. That's a big part of the reason for the shield around the lower ball joint.




What calipers does this car use? Same as you have? 8 piston Brembo's? If so how much is that caliper duct? The one that fits on the caliper.

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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: brads70] #1676947
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What calipers does this car use? Same as you have? 8 piston Brembo's? If so how much is that caliper duct?




It uses a similar caliper but not the same.
You do not want to price ANYTHING for an SLR. They are all short run custom made pieces. Prices are astronomical.

I had the same idea when I took those pics a few years ago. I don't recall what the price was but it ran me off even with my cost + 10% employee pricing.


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: feets] #1676948
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What calipers does this car use? Same as you have? 8 piston Brembo's? If so how much is that caliper duct?




It uses a similar caliper but not the same.
You do not want to price ANYTHING for an SLR. They are all short run custom made pieces. Prices are astronomical.

I had the same idea when I took those pics a few years ago. I don't recall what the price was but it ran me off even with my cost + 10% employee pricing.




Your right! I found this.... http://www.mbpartsworld.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_product=8019422&ukey_assembly=1082505

Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: brads70] #1676949
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What calipers does this car use? Same as you have? 8 piston Brembo's? If so how much is that caliper duct?




It uses a similar caliper but not the same.
You do not want to price ANYTHING for an SLR. They are all short run custom made pieces. Prices are astronomical.

I had the same idea when I took those pics a few years ago. I don't recall what the price was but it ran me off even with my cost + 10% employee pricing.




Your right! I found this.... http://www.mbpartsworld.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_product=8019422&ukey_assembly=1082505




Pretty cheap compared to the $20,000 rotors.


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: feets] #1676950
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What calipers does this car use? Same as you have? 8 piston Brembo's? If so how much is that caliper duct?




It uses a similar caliper but not the same.
You do not want to price ANYTHING for an SLR. They are all short run custom made pieces. Prices are astronomical.

I had the same idea when I took those pics a few years ago. I don't recall what the price was but it ran me off even with my cost + 10% employee pricing.




Your right! I found this.... http://www.mbpartsworld.com/showAssembly.aspx?ukey_product=8019422&ukey_assembly=1082505




Pretty cheap compared to the $20,000 rotors.




or the calipers at $2700 each! I just got a pair for $600
( 2005 E55 AMG) I found rotors 13"x 1 3/8" ( they fit I have a pair) that weight 19lbs each

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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: 72440CUDA] #1676951
11/03/14 11:49 PM
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I recently got the missing brake rotor from Dr. Diff the other week. The front rotors from the Stage 4 kit I got have internal vanes that are vertical while these new rotors are curved
The weird thing is they are both curved in the same direction! .... Is it ideal? No, but I have no problems running like this because I doubt I'll get into high enough temps to max out my...




I noticed the same thing with my kit. Vanes are same direction but drilled holes/slots are different... when they crack I'll switch them out to slotted. Car gets very few miles, so I can wait, not a show stopper.





I haven't taken a look at mine... That's going to bug me so much as I get bugged by unsymmetry. Is there a non-slotted version available? Maybe off another car (for the future).

Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: MuuMuu101] #1676952
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I would not worry about it as I would have no problems running these wrong way rotors.
I was reading up and the difference would be about 100 degrees which isn't much when you consider XP12's can take about 1,850 degrees F.
You have a much lighter car also which makes a big difference


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: RylisPro] #1676953
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I would not worry about it as I would have no problems running these wrong way rotors.
I was reading up and the difference would be about 100 degrees which isn't much when you consider XP12's can take about 1,850 degrees F.
You have a much lighter car also which makes a big difference





Plus, mine is considerably slower as well with the tired 273.

Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: RylisPro] #1676954
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How (and when) was that temp difference measured?

Personally, if the kit's vendor isn't going to send me the correct rotors for each side, or at least straight vane rotors, I'd want my money back. It is either a cost-cutting measure or a lack of availability driving this and neither yields an acceptable rsult.


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: ntsqd] #1676955
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I seriously doubt that the direction of the vanes will make any difference in performance.


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: ntsqd] #1676956
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How (and when) was that temp difference measured?

Personally, if the kit's vendor isn't going to send me the correct rotors for each side, or at least straight vane rotors, I'd want my money back. It is either a cost-cutting measure or a lack of availability driving this and neither yields an acceptable rsult.




I agree, If directionally of the vanes is important enough to provide an advertised marketing benefit over straight vane, its important enough that it it at least go the right direction, in my mind. Additionally, any unintentional temp difference side to side, will cause pad friction to vary, slight, but it will.


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: feets] #1676957
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I seriously doubt that the direction of the vanes will make any difference in performance.



Were I still with wilwood I could probably counter that claim with hard data. As I am not I'm left with the Accounts were given a good enough reason or reasons by the Engineers to justify the expense of left and right curved vane master-plates and the "duplication" of inventory. Otherwise why bother with curved at all, leave them all straight.


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: ntsqd] #1676958
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Engineers like to turd polish, left hand thread lug studs come to mind.

Accountants like to penny pinch.

Somewhere in between is ideal.


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: ntsqd] #1676959
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How (and when) was that temp difference measured?



To be honest I just found some info on an Audi forum
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/329948-Directional-Vanes-How-important-are-they

Like I said I understand that it is wrong but yeah I'm not really worried about it. The rotor is still a 13 inch 24lb. heat sink and I'm sure it will perform just fine at the track. If it doesn't, I will certainly post it up on here.

I am grateful Dr. Diff produced a pretty good Stage 4 brake kit for the money, so no way am I returning them. If rotors with the opposite vanes are made I will just buy two more


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Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: feets] #1676960
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Pretty cheap compared to the $20,000 rotors.




If somebody wants to really try them, the ZR1 Corvette cf rotors are only around $950/apiece on Amazon.

Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: Blusmbl] #1676961
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Pretty cheap compared to the $20,000 rotors.




If somebody wants to really try them, the ZR1 Corvette cf rotors are only around $950/apiece on Amazon.




There was all sorts of companies out at SEMA with CF rotors as well...bunch of offshore/probably cheaper sorta ones too.

Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: OzHemi] #1676962
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There was all sorts of companies out at SEMA with CF rotors as well...bunch of offshore/probably cheaper sorta ones too.





That scares me.


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There was all sorts of companies out at SEMA with CF rotors as well...bunch of offshore/probably cheaper sorta ones too.





That scares me.





The Brembo and AP Racing ones looked nice though.

Re: Please don't buy drilled rotors!!! [Re: OzHemi] #1676964
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I got a kick out of seeing the pics of the McLaren carbon ceramic rotor that ate the brake pad packing plate.
I really should have asked the tech to send them to me.


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