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Just wondering, what is the bore spacing on the pro stock hemi head? If someone was to make a tall deck block that would fit that head, would it be a viable option? As i see it, any way you slice it, it will "look" like a chevy engine regardless of what block gets put under the head.

If the pro stock hemi head would serve as a foundation for a big inch mopar engine, lets all get together and have someone start making blocks to fill the void.


I think the guy's name is Goodwin, and they make a billet block for a 5" bore spacing engine, which is what the Mopar pro stock program is built around. Diablo has what I believe is a 655" deal for sled pulling. I want to say it makes around 1350-1400, and the price tag is north of $75,000. He might chime in and correct me, but he will know. Al Alguire also ran 500 CI tamed hemi 99 deal in the 10.5" tire class, he can tell you about that.
That's the point. Al, Boat Racer 572, Steve Gill and I are now working with the predator combos. Boat Racer and Steve Gill, are the only ones I know, and I'm sure there are others although rare, doing it successfully. Indy is useless for information. I have in excess of $1000 just on head gaskets because as I said, Indy is useless with any information/help. If I didn't have help from the other names mentioned here and some I didn't, I might as well be doing this by scratch.
This is where my frustration comes from. Fact, I could have ordered a 665 12 degree GM style race application motor for around $40-45,000 with a dry sump making an easy 1400 + HP. If I needed help, I know at least ten people that have more information and knowledge than Indy, and are ready to help. And if I had my money back, that's what I would do. I've been a Mopar loyalist for over 40 years, but eventually enough is enough. So if or when I decide to sell this stuff and go the easy route, someone will get a sweet deal on this stuff and all the info they want.

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Just to chime in Quickly, We have Ran a good chunk of engines over the past 7-8 years and our last two have come From Goodwin. We have done the refreshes to the engines but they were originally built by Goodwin. Both have been 5" Bore space 650ci engines. The first one used IHRA 5" Hemi heads which were blanks that Goodwin worked with. Goodwin used a cast Donovan 5" block for that engine. There are a few of the cast headed cast block Goodwin engines out there. Ours made mid 1400hp. I sold that to a Drag racer around Chicago. This season we Ran Goodwins 5" Billet engine. He developed the head and block but the main design idea was from the 99 head. They look and are a lot different then a Sonny or Schmidt Hemi head. Both head and block are Billet CNC'ed in house. Top notch engine and its been awhile since we had 100% faith in the engine each run. Could not say that back when we were running the B1-TS engines. The new Billet engines are over 1600hp now.

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Wish he had a Wedge head program...........but at that level, being 5.0 spacing and essentially using Chevy pattern blocks.........I guess it would serve no purpose. Wonder if he would be interested in developing a "nitrous friendly" chamber design for his heads. Since they are essentially a "twisted wedge" with a plug in the center, it would likely work, but would take a bit of development to work on a 4.700 bore or so.

What bore are your motors??

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Hi Monte,
He does have a wedge head program actually. Came out with it last year. It makes a little less power then the Hemi program but it was about 10k less then the hemi also. To my knowledge he only sold a few because most would just find the extra dime to jump to the hemi. For Nitros chambers I would just give him a call. I wouldn't be surprised if he already had something. I also know the same 5" design stuff he has can be made on the 5.3 Bore spacing. He just mentioned to me when someone has the $$ they will build it.

The bores were both around 4.780-4.786 on my two engines.

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I fail to see how any of this bickering is helping me to get a aluminum block for 3k...

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That haven't delivered that yet? They must not be cooling, but they're in the mail soon.

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I fail to see how any of this bickering is helping me to get a aluminum block for 3k...

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Not sure why you're having trouble, I already got mine and it's a 5" BS.

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I fail to see how any of this bickering is helping me to get a aluminum block for 3k...

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Not sure why you're having trouble, I already got mine and it's a 5" BS.

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Mine was being delivered ... the 3K wasnt any problem
for the alum block BUT the $2500 for shipping was
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And I NEVER said the current parts were not good enough for me.......WHAT I SAID WAS there are no current parts available for what I would like to build for my GTX............but feel free to spin that to make it sound however you like.


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Just to cut through all the other stuff...

I don't know how to take that except as, combined with your other comments, that you feel the cheap ass 906 head, purple shaft cam lovin' Mopar guys should be buying up the parts you wouldn't use on your GTX, so it will spur manufacturers to make better, updated parts that you will consider using ??

If I am wrong, please clarify, ty

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I fail to see how any of this bickering is helping me to get a aluminum block for 3k...

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I fail to see how any of this bickering is helping me to get a aluminum block for 3k...

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Where do you see Chevy aluminum blocks for 3k? A 9.8 deck Brodix BBC at Summit is over 5k.

And just to through this out there my buddy's car which he sometimes competes in t/d just runnered up at the last pro-am, it has bbc with skirted mains, sounds like a little Mopar mixed into that one.

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Well all I can add is WOW...It is no wonder we get what we get.

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You guys make me want to sell my Plymouth and buy a Chevelle.

I'm no racer, I like fast street/strip cars with full interiors. I like everything but I went Mopar because I thought the RB engine makes really good power for the money and are durable, but I'm only looking for around 600 hp max out of a street engine.

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Don`t do it. Stay Mopar and 600 hp in a 440 street car is very doable...................

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The main disconnect here seems to be that the vast majority of Mopar guys are content to run motors in the 750 or so HP range. Be they bracket racers, test n tuners, stop racers, street guys or whatever. In that range parts are plentiful, cheaper and there seems to be no problem getting them..........Then you have a group of guys who want to make more power. They seem to have no problem ponying up the money for mega-blocks, Indy blocks, KB, B-1s etc, but parts are harder to get and a little more costly. The first group seems to have no problem with the second group.........Then comes the third group. The guys who want to make serious power and or be able to compete on a head to head basis with other brands and do it with Mopar power. This is the group that is always lamenting the fact that Mopar R&D and new parts is virtually non existant at this level and pointing out the fact that there are no parts to do what you want and none on the horizon. Some in group one seem to have a real problem with group three and want to label them "elitest" or some such other bullsh%t and call them not REAL Mopar guys because they complain about parts or choose to go other routes to accomplish what they want. They are content and can't seem to understand why others are not..........THAT is the problem. They only see it from their point of view

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Very well said Monte Or as us need to be Fast Bracket Racers would say you got that Sh*t right!

Sometimes you get way off in Left field and I start to wonder about you but every once in a while you get back on track again!

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I agree, this wasn't my intention. How about going a different direction and getting into the technical aspect of combos 950HP and up? I would like to hear what guys like Monte, Best, Koffel, Bob G., Marsh and others are working on, and keep the BS to a minimum. I'm looking for generalities, as I know a lot of you have competition that would like to know specifics. I don't even care if it's Mopar or not......if that's allowed? It's more about where to finding information and parts.

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Hey Monte, You going to be at NO MERCY V this week end at SGMP? Would like to talk to a fellow Mopar guy that likes fast stuff and knows his stuff.

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Hey Monte, You going to be at NO MERCY V this week end at SGMP? Would like to talk to a fellow Mopar guy that likes fast stuff and knows his stuff.

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Leaving tomorrow.........I will have an NOS tent set up next to Chad Hendersons Black ODR Buick, on the back row near the pine trees. Stop by and introduce yourself. I will have MANY customers there and will be busy, but can always find time to talk to another Mopar guy

Monte

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Cooler? Like a wine cooler?We have enough whinning so lets get some cheese and crackers to go with all the wine-ing. But seriously this type of dialoge here and throughout the race community is what is killing our sport.Choise of words and how the are presented should be respectful if you want people to share their ideas,knowledge and be helpful.There is alot of things that can be accomplished if we all approach it in a professional and respectful manner.
We at BGR have been trying to work with manufactures to help build better product products.Companys Like Indy,HHP,Ritter.440 Source,Edelbrock,Koffels and others are doing a lot to develope more Mopar performance hard parts.The process is long,hard and expensive.But all the negative feedback and bashing these companys get may tend to make them not want to make a commitment of their resources especially the great monatary investment.They have a hard enough time getting raw materials like casting and forgings from the limited foundarys that provide them.Tooling is also a large concern as current machining is getting worn and new tooling is in the outer atmosphere as far as cost.
Bitching and bickering will benifit no one,commitment,ideas and knowledge needs to be constructively and professionally presented to the companys along with a marketing stragity that will get them interested.If everyone here would present their ideas,either collectively or representivly at venues like the PRI shows manufactures may take us serious and listen.
We must support our sport or we will left with memories of better days.

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Cooler? Like a wine cooler?We have enough whinning so lets get some cheese and crackers to go with all the wine-ing. But seriously this type of dialoge here and throughout the race community is what is killing our sport.Choise of words and how the are presented should be respectful if you want people to share their ideas,knowledge and be helpful.There is alot of things that can be accomplished if we all approach it in a professional and respectful manner.
We at BGR have been trying to work with manufactures to help build better product products.Companys Like Indy,HHP,Ritter.440 Source,Edelbrock,Koffels and others are doing a lot to develope more Mopar performance hard parts.The process is long,hard and expensive.But all the negative feedback and bashing these companys get may tend to make them not want to make a commitment of their resources especially the great monatary investment.They have a hard enough time getting raw materials like casting and forgings from the limited foundarys that provide them.Tooling is also a large concern as current machining is getting worn and new tooling is in the outer atmosphere as far as cost.
Bitching and bickering will benifit no one,commitment,ideas and knowledge needs to be constructively and professionally presented to the companys along with a marketing stragity that will get them interested.If everyone here would present their ideas,either collectively or representivly at venues like the PRI shows manufactures may take us serious and listen.
We must support our sport or we will left with memories of better days.

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I agree, this wasn't my intention. How about going a different direction and getting into the technical aspect of combos 950HP and up? I would like to hear what guys like Monte, Best, Koffel, Bob G., Marsh and others are working on, and keep the BS to a minimum. I'm looking for generalities, as I know a lot of you have competition that would like to know specifics. I don't even care if it's Mopar or not......if that's allowed? It's more about where to finding information and parts.

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