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Re: Holley Blue pumps and regulators?
[Re: Thumperdart]
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09/17/14 06:48 PM
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There is NOTHING MAGIC about a regulator... it has a hole and a spring to let the set pressure by.. I dont care for the NON return style reg due to fuel pressure fluctuation and I run a return style(I have for 20 years now).. yes at one time I did run the cheapo holley reg but then I started working in the fuel lab and seen the benefits of the return style systems and have been that way since 
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Re: Holley Blue pumps and regulators?
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
#1672017
09/17/14 07:32 PM
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Make sure the rubber diaphragm is still soft and pliable and does not have holes! They dry out and that causes problems.
67 Coronet 500 9.610 @ 139.20 mph
67 Coronet 500 (street car) 14.82 @ 94 mph
69 GTX (clone) - build in progress......
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Re: Holley Blue pumps and regulators?
[Re: Chris2581]
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09/17/14 08:56 PM
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Jenkins ran those "cheap" regulators too! I've had nothing but a Holley blue pump on my car since 1981.Not the original pump,as I'm on my 3rd one,but I know I could rebuild the other 2 and they would work just as well. 
Not anymore, the lower hsg was discontinued several years ago.
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Re: Holley Blue pumps and regulators?
[Re: Thumperdart]
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09/17/14 08:57 PM
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You need .5 pounds of fuel for 1 HP per hour... its just math... but all of use run WAY more than needed when it comes to pumps.. BUT hopefully its the last one you ever buy... I have tended to buy 2 cheaper pumps as in the blue Holleys and run them in parallel for the volume(pounds per hour) and it ends up cheaper than 1 big pump.. by a lot
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Re: Holley Blue pumps and regulators?
[Re: Thumperdart]
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09/17/14 09:16 PM
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Again, my car fell on it`s face past the 1/8th w/a black Holley and the Aeromotive.............installed the 300 Magnafuel and had to re-tune the carb and went solid 9`s. And my car`s not that bad azz............ 
Ummmm, if you "had to retune the carb", how do you KNOW the pump/reg was causing your problems?
I once tried a billet cement mixer pump and high $$ reg on a low 10 second combo, replacing JUST the 10 year old Blue pump and reg. Adjusted the PSI to be the same, and ran it. Weather station was identical to the weekend before and said I should go 10.30's based on my data. (With the old Holley stuff).
Guess what??? 10.30's at the same speed with the new (thankfully borrowed) high $$ "junk".
It LOOKED trick though...
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Re: Holley Blue pumps and regulators?
[Re: cudadoug]
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09/17/14 09:39 PM
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Again, my car fell on it`s face past the 1/8th w/a black Holley and the Aeromotive.............installed the 300 Magnafuel and had to re-tune the carb and went solid 9`s. And my car`s not that bad azz............
Ummmm, if you "had to retune the carb", how do you KNOW the pump/reg was causing your problems?
I once tried a billet cement mixer pump and high $$ reg on a low 10 second combo, replacing JUST the 10 year old Blue pump and reg. Adjusted the PSI to be the same, and ran it. Weather station was identical to the weekend before and said I should go 10.30's based on my data. (With the old Holley stuff).
Guess what??? 10.30's at the same speed with the new (thankfully borrowed) high $$ "junk".
It LOOKED trick though...
Gotta agree with ya. My old 9.80's car( 3350 weight) ran a Holley black and Holley large port regulator for years. Ultra consistent car, saw about 7500 at the stripe every pass.
I caved in to peer pressure and went hog wild witha return style way bigger pump/ lines,etc, etc..... And saw zero difference after throwing a grand at a nonexistent problem.
My new car is much slower, but I run a pump similar to a black on it through the stock tank sock, 5/16 line and small Holley regulator. It pulls hard on the back half
of the track for what it is, zero nosing over. I have no concerns it's leaning out.
Just my
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8
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Re: Holley Blue pumps and regulators?
[Re: B3422W5]
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09/17/14 09:46 PM
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Again, my car fell on it`s face past the 1/8th w/a black Holley and the Aeromotive.............installed the 300 Magnafuel and had to re-tune the carb and went solid 9`s. And my car`s not that bad azz............
Ummmm, if you "had to retune the carb", how do you KNOW the pump/reg was causing your problems?
I once tried a billet cement mixer pump and high $$ reg on a low 10 second combo, replacing JUST the 10 year old Blue pump and reg. Adjusted the PSI to be the same, and ran it. Weather station was identical to the weekend before and said I should go 10.30's based on my data. (With the old Holley stuff).
Guess what??? 10.30's at the same speed with the new (thankfully borrowed) high $$ "junk".
It LOOKED trick though...
Gotta agree with ya. My old 9.80's car( 3350 weight) ran a Holley black and Holley large port regulator for years. Ultra consistent car, saw about 7500 at the stripe every pass.
I caved in to peer pressure and went hog wild witha return style way bigger pump/ lines,etc, etc..... And saw zero difference after throwing a grand at a nonexistent problem.
My new car is much slower, but I run a pump similar to a black on it through the stock tank sock, 5/16 line and small Holley regulator. It pulls hard on the back half
of the track for what it is, zero nosing over. I have no concerns it's leaning out.
Just my
Small motor, small demands try that w/a stout big block and report back with us. Also do you have a wideband? Install one then you`ll see the fuel curve w/your own eyes and can verify not assume..........My car pulled like a beast, went to chassis dyno and was approaching dangerously lean 16.1 numbers..............
72 Dart 470 n/a BB stroker street car `THUMPER`...Check me out on FB Dominic Thumper for videos and lots of carb pics......760-900-3895.....
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Re: Holley Blue pumps and regulators?
[Re: Thumperdart]
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09/17/14 10:02 PM
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I ran a black billet Holley pump and a small port Holley regulator on my Dart, at the 1/8 mile my pressure would be around 2 pounds. I put a new Magnafuel Quickstar 275 and a Holley big port regulator and my fuel pressure stays near 6 pounds now. I don't know if the regulator or the pump fixed my issue, but one of them did.
Total bs.NO WAY.............  
Hard to believe I know .......... 
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Re: Holley Blue pumps and regulators?
[Re: cudadoug]
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09/17/14 10:22 PM
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I have REALLY hurt some guys feelings about their fuel regulators on my flow bench...........LOL!!.....Those "cheap" Holley regulators are the most repeatable and consistent regulator you can buy. The only drawback they have is the inner flow path diameter. But it requires BIG power to need more fuel than they can deliver and they are more than enough reg for 99% of guys
Monte
THIRTY YEARS AGO, the first 500" P/S cars were in the 7's, right? Holley Blue pumps and those cheap dead head regulators were the real deal.
So I cannot help but when a guy tells me that his motor NEEDS that $500 billet cement mixer pump and $200 regulator on his 9.80/135 mph car, "Cause it was too lean with the Holley stuff". YEPPERS, just had a Mopar racer tell me that a few weeks ago when I asked about his recent fuel system "upgrade". Oh, and he's really puzzled how there isn't any gain on the time slip...
I totally agree with both of these statements.
I used a Holley Blue and regulator with no issues.
10.0@ 136 doesn't miss a beat.
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Re: Holley Blue pumps and regulators?
[Re: Thumperdart]
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09/17/14 10:27 PM
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Again, my car fell on it`s face past the 1/8th w/a black Holley and the Aeromotive.............installed the 300 Magnafuel and had to re-tune the carb and went solid 9`s. And my car`s not that bad azz............
Ummmm, if you "had to retune the carb", how do you KNOW the pump/reg was causing your problems?
I once tried a billet cement mixer pump and high $$ reg on a low 10 second combo, replacing JUST the 10 year old Blue pump and reg. Adjusted the PSI to be the same, and ran it. Weather station was identical to the weekend before and said I should go 10.30's based on my data. (With the old Holley stuff).
Guess what??? 10.30's at the same speed with the new (thankfully borrowed) high $$ "junk".
It LOOKED trick though...
Gotta agree with ya. My old 9.80's car( 3350 weight) ran a Holley black and Holley large port regulator for years. Ultra consistent car, saw about 7500 at the stripe every pass.
I caved in to peer pressure and went hog wild witha return style way bigger pump/ lines,etc, etc..... And saw zero difference after throwing a grand at a nonexistent problem.
My new car is much slower, but I run a pump similar to a black on it through the stock tank sock, 5/16 line and small Holley regulator. It pulls hard on the back half
of the track for what it is, zero nosing over. I have no concerns it's leaning out.
Just my
Small motor, small demands try that w/a stout big block and report back with us. Also do you have a wideband? Install one then you`ll see the fuel curve w/your own eyes and can verify not assume..........My car pulled like a beast, went to chassis dyno and was approaching dangerously lean 16.1 numbers..............
What do you mean, small motor small demands? Car ran the same numbers yours does and was 150 pounds heavier 
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8
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Re: Holley Blue pumps and regulators?
[Re: Thumperdart]
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09/17/14 10:45 PM
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Trust me, that 9.79 was my first full boogie pass and had several issues w/the carb and suspension so a 9.59-9.64 is comin soon. And kudos, your car hauled azz.............. 
Quit being so nice. You make it hard to pick on ya
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8
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Regulators yes pumps no way in hell they`ll work. I ran the Aeromotive hot rod pump on my car and it fell on it`s face and some of you agreed watching my 9.98 video..........maybe a bad pump don`t know or care since now I`m solidly in the 9`s and wasn`t before. 
