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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671612
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I just moved the wheel over on the passenger's side. It seems things are slightly shifted toward the center line of the car. Without spacers, the tire was rubbing on the leaf springs. With the 0.200" (+5mm) spacers I had about 1" to the outer trim and 0.25" to the leaf spring. I took another look at the wheels, they're 17 x 8's and I think I measured them to be about 5.72" of bs which would put it at +30mm. However, taking a closer look at it I think I'd have some rubbing issues on the inner bulge of the wheel well. I'm going to need a little less offset and maybe I should just step down to 265/35/18's. How much is ample tire to outer trim clearance?

Odds are car isn't going to make it to Fall Fling. I just have way too much school work.

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671613
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How goes it MuuMuu? I remember you being on a tight time frame for completion. Interested how things went as i am doing a similar build this winter on my valiant.

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: buconine] #1671614
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How goes it MuuMuu? I remember you being on a tight time frame for completion. Interested how things went as i am doing a similar build this winter on my valiant.




Since the spindles took too long getting here and school has started, my original plans of making it to Fall Fling (Oct 25) were cancelled. Just too much school work and not enough energy to work on the car. I've got all the parts now except for the wheels and tires. Hopefully the car should be running by December.

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671615
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So just doing a quick search, based off of my measurements, it seems like I should be able to make the Enkei PF01's to fit with an 18 x 9.5" wheel. They come in both a +15mm offset and a +35mm offset. Any of these tires (Hancook R-S3's) will fit on the wheel:

245/40/18
265/35/18
265/40/18
275/35/18
285/35/18

It all depends on how tight I want everything to fit in the wheel wells.

http://www.summitracing.com/search/brand...28%2B4294920230

I just need to find some time to get the front end together. I may have some later tonight. Maybe I'll be able to squeeze some time in during the week after work and school.

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671616
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R-S3 285/35-18 Square Setup


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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: RylisPro] #1671617
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R-S3 285/35-18 Square Setup





Ideal... But very very tight fit.

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671618
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It will fit just add camber
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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: RylisPro] #1671619
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It will fit just add camber
R-S3's love camber





No camber for the rears.

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671620
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I see a spacer in the rear with the 35mm offset in your near future.


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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: 72Swinger] #1671621
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I see a spacer in the rear with the 35mm offset in your near future.




I sent you a reply in my thread on FABO. Here is his response and mine so other people can comment...

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I also dont see how you think a 15mm offset will have any chance of fitting in the rear without getting SS/AA on your quarter panels. 25mm MAYBE, 15? No f-ing way. I ran a 10 wide with a 43mm offset and had about an inch of outer clearance WITH bulged and rolled lips. That was with a stock A-body rear with drum brakes, your rear is even wider???




The wheel I used for mock up was 17 x 8" and had a +30mm offset on it (measured and looked it up) with a bulged out 275/40/17 tire. I stacked washers up to about -5mm and had maybe .25"-.5" between the springs and .75"-1" between the outer trim depending on which side of the vehicle you were on. I don't see where my calculations are wrong. Rimsntires even states that the tire should be about .4" closer to the outer quarter panel which should give me adequate clearance. Am I right, or am I missing something here?

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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671622
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FABO thread... There's some info there that's not on here.

http://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/showthread.php?t=290394

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671623
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So 72Swinger has shown me the light of my errors. Since the wheels I used to mock up the tire were only 8" wide, they brought the section width down to about 10"... Meaning, my tire options now are only going to be a 245/40/18 or a 255/35/18 on a 9" wide wheel. Nobody makes a 255/40/18 in an "Extreme Performance Summer" tire except Yokohama. Lame.

So the closest wheels to fitting straight off the market are going to be the Drag Wheels, again. At least their cheap.

http://www.summitracing.com/search/b...4&autoview=SKU

There's also the Enkei RP03 that comes in a +18mm and a +40mm (have to get the fronts together to make sure it fits) that may work. I'd just have to get it from a different vendor as Summit doesn't hold the +40mm offset.

http://www.enkei.com/rp03.shtml#
http://www.enkei.com/size_chart/RP03.pdf

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671624
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A couple thoughts Samy. 1st I want everyone to remember every time you change the WIDTH of your Rim, the offset number you will need changes. A +15 offset on an eight inch wheel has a different backspacing from a +15 offset on a nine inch wheel. 2nd remember the section widths of same size tires from different manufacturers can vary quite a bit, sometimes more than the 1/2 inch a different width rim will make (i.e. A 265 Falken on an 8.5 inch rim might have a wider section width than a 265 Dunlop on a nine inch rim). 3rd Michelin makes a Pilot Super Sport in a 255/40/18 which is an excellent road course and street tire, I won a couple late model Goodguys auto crosses with Super Sports, and I get them used off Craigslist for cheap...

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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: Tomswheels] #1671625
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A couple thoughts Samy. 1st I want everyone to remember every time you change the WIDTH of your Rim, the offset number you will need changes. A +15 offset on an eight inch wheel has a different backspacing from a +15 offset on a nine inch wheel. 2nd remember the section widths of same size tires from different manufacturers can vary quite a bit, sometimes more than the 1/2 inch a different width rim will make (i.e. A 265 Falken on an 8.5 inch rim might have a wider section width than a 265 Dunlop on a nine inch rim). 3rd Michelin makes a Pilot Super Sport in a 255/40/18 which is an excellent road course and street tire, I won a couple late model Goodguys auto crosses with Super Sports, and I get them used off Craigslist for cheap...




I knew the first and second point (part of the reason why I disregard bs and always check on tirerack for the tire specs). Which Michelin Super Sport Tire is it? It seems like they just released a new one.

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671626
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A couple thoughts Samy. 1st I want everyone to remember every time you change the WIDTH of your Rim, the offset number you will need changes. A +15 offset on an eight inch wheel has a different backspacing from a +15 offset on a nine inch wheel. 2nd remember the section widths of same size tires from different manufacturers can vary quite a bit, sometimes more than the 1/2 inch a different width rim will make (i.e. A 265 Falken on an 8.5 inch rim might have a wider section width than a 265 Dunlop on a nine inch rim). 3rd Michelin makes a Pilot Super Sport in a 255/40/18 which is an excellent road course and street tire, I won a couple late model Goodguys auto crosses with Super Sports, and I get them used off Craigslist for cheap...





I knew the first and second point (part of the reason why I disregard bs and always check on tirerack for the tire specs). Which Michelin Super Sport Tire is it? It seems like they just released a new one.





This is a good test of 200 treadwear tires vs the 300 treadwear super sport:

http://www.hotrod.com/feature_stories/1401_the_best_200_treadwear_tires_test/

Remember this was just a couple Autocross laps, the 300 treadwear Supersports compare even better on a longer course where their consistency pays off. Tire rack sells them here:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Super+Sport

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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: Tomswheels] #1671627
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A couple thoughts Samy. 1st I want everyone to remember every time you change the WIDTH of your Rim, the offset number you will need changes. A +15 offset on an eight inch wheel has a different backspacing from a +15 offset on a nine inch wheel. 2nd remember the section widths of same size tires from different manufacturers can vary quite a bit, sometimes more than the 1/2 inch a different width rim will make (i.e. A 265 Falken on an 8.5 inch rim might have a wider section width than a 265 Dunlop on a nine inch rim). 3rd Michelin makes a Pilot Super Sport in a 255/40/18 which is an excellent road course and street tire, I won a couple late model Goodguys auto crosses with Super Sports, and I get them used off Craigslist for cheap...





I knew the first and second point (part of the reason why I disregard bs and always check on tirerack for the tire specs). Which Michelin Super Sport Tire is it? It seems like they just released a new one.





This is a good test of 200 treadwear tires vs the 300 treadwear super sport:

http://www.hotrod.com/feature_stories/1401_the_best_200_treadwear_tires_test/

Remember this was just a couple Autocross laps, the 300 treadwear Supersports compare even better on a longer course where their consistency pays off. Tire rack sells them here:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Super+Sport




I saw them on Tirerack. Seems like I may be sold...

So does everyone think my offset numbers, wheel selection, and tire sizes agree with the information I have presented? Do you guys think a 26" tire be too tall?

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671628
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Here is a pic from the weekend of 18x10 front and rear, with 285/35/18 all around...

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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: Tomswheels] #1671629
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Here is a pic from the weekend of 18x10 front and rear, with 285/35/18 all around...




Yeah, I was super angry I wasn't able to make it (even in the Scion). Those wheels look much better than the other torq thrust style Mustang wheels.

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: Tomswheels] #1671630
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How did you do Tom? That thing should be on rails! Or those tires the Super Sports or Ventus? Also what is your front camber?

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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: Tomswheels] #1671631
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Those tires are RS3 and I'm guessing 2° camber


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