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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671572
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1) XXR wheels

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671573
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2) Unknown make

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671574
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2) Varrestoen ES2

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671575
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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671576
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That unknown wheel looks like a Rota which is a copy of a Volk TE37 wheel. Of all the wheels here I would choose Enkei on a limited budget as I feel they have higher quality standards than the other cheap cast wheels. I know people who race and win on the Rota wheels but this is in a gutted S2000 race car not on heavy American Iron.

If I had a recommendation and one had a bigger budget, I would get a custom quality forged wheel that way you can get the correct offsets you need and not mess with spacers.

I understand everybody has a certain budget and all, its just that I would not skimp on the wheels as it is one of the most highly stressed components on a car especially when you go to the track


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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: RylisPro] #1671577
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That unknown wheel looks like a Rota which is a copy of a Volk TE37 wheel. Of all the wheels here I would choose Enkei on a limited budget as I feel they have higher quality standards than the other cheap cast wheels. I know people who race and win on the Rota wheels but this is in a gutted S2000 race car not on heavy American Iron.

If I had a recommendation and one had a bigger budget, I would get a custom quality forged wheel that way you can get the correct offsets you need and not mess with spacers.

I understand everybody has a certain budget and all, its just that I would not skimp on the wheels as it is one of the most highly stressed components on a car especially when you go to the track





The Enkei RSM9 and PF01 come in a 9.5" wide wheel with a 35mm offset. The only thing about them is I've heard they can bend easier in some cases. Some of the spokes do look awfully tiny.

A forged wheel is way out of my budget (maybe $2500 a set minimum I'd assume?). I'm not opposed to getting a 2 piece wheel made with cast centers. I can always talk to OzHemi with regards to my two piece wheel options.

I think a max of $1500-1600 on wheel and $1000 on tires is fairly reasonable. But why spend extra money when you don't need to?

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671578
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With $1600 you can definitely get a set of Enkei PF01's as I have a set of two 18x10.5s that I use as rain wheels/ spare tires. I think I got them for $325 each and I beat on these wheels before getting my track wheels.

I would definitly use the PF01 at the track as there are R35's that use them and the Nissan GTR is a fat pig

I agree that forged wheels are not needed, but neither is a cheap cast wheel that will be more likely to fail at the track

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: RylisPro] #1671579
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With $1600 you can definitely get a set of Enkei PF01's as I have a set of two 18x10.5s that I use as rain wheels/ spare tires. I think I got them for $325 each and I beat on these wheels before getting my track wheels.

I agree that forged wheels are not needed, but neither is a cheap cast wheel that will be more likely to fail at the track





Black:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/enk-4608956635bk/overview/

Silver:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/enk-4608956635sp/overview/

I think a black wheel would look better offsetting itself from the white. Silver will work but I feel like it would get a little lost.

Summit says $1512 for black wheels and $1422 for the silver to ship. Earliest shipping date would be Oct 2nd for the black wheels. If I get these, they're still going to need spacers though.

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671580
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I got my silver wheels from THmotorsports as they priced matched and dropped shipped them from Enkei. I Then plasti-dipped them black.
Yes I had to get spacers also but that is exactly how I found the offsets for my forged wheels



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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: RylisPro] #1671581
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I got my silver wheels from THmotorsports as they priced matched and dropped shipped them from Enkei. I Then plasti-dipped them black.
Yes I had to get spacers also but that is exactly how I found the offsets for my forged wheels






They're pretty light... 20.65 lbs a wheel. I don't think they'll look too bad with big brakes. I really like black but the silver is $90 cheaper. That's one good option, I wonder how they'd look on the Dart though. Anyone have an idea of what size spacer I'd need for the rears (even though I'm still not too big of a fan of spacers)?

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671582
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I got my silver wheels from THmotorsports as they priced matched and dropped shipped them from Enkei. I Then plasti-dipped them black.
Yes I had to get spacers also but that is exactly how I found the offsets for my forged wheels






They're pretty light... 20.65 lbs a wheel. I don't think they'll look too bad with big brakes. I really like black but the silver is $90 cheaper. That's one good option, I wonder how they'd look on the Dart though. Anyone have an idea of what size spacer I'd need for the rears (even though I'm still not too big of a fan of spacers)?




I run the enkei's on my challenger as well and am very happy with them. I have enkei RPF1's 19x9.5 that I picked up with 1/2 tread 275/35/19 Yokohama ADVAN AD08 tires off craigslist for $1k for the entire package. There are some good deals on this stuff used if you are willing to go that way.

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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: blown340] #1671583
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I've been doing up some research on the forums about wheel spacers and I'm not sure if I like the idea of them at all. It seems like billet hub-centric spacers are ideal.

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671584
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I've been doing up some research on the forums about wheel spacers and I'm not sure if I like the idea of them at all. It seems like billet hub-centric spacers are ideal.




If you are unsure of spacers, do it right and do one of the following:
1. Run different offset front and rear
2. Run a wider rear that takes the same offset as the front

I currently run a 60" rear with 1/4" steel spacers and offset shackles for +45 18x9.5 and 265's or 275's square. Rotating tires was a requirement of mine when building the car.

The deal Tomswheels offered you is a smoking good deal.


Math:
60" rear width put tires almost touching the leafs with +45mm offset, ~11" wide tires, and offset shackles. 1.825/2= .9125" = 23.2 mm. Therefore, of you run a 21.8mm offset with the same width tire, you'll need a 1/4" spacer to get away from the leaf.

Tomswheels set up gets my vote. Run the +24 in rear with offset shackles and a 1/4" steel spacer, and the +30 up front (going to be tight on the fender depending on your alignment and ride height).

There is zero issue with a 1/4" or smaller spacer.


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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671585
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So, I know this is kind of cheesy but I made a mock up wheel out of cardboard to see what offset I'd need for the rear. It's just a cut circle with a rectangular piece taped to the circumference to simulate the width of the tire. I measured it on both sides of the car just in case my perches weren't centered on the rear axle. The wheel is cut to about a 245/40/18 tire (may be a tad taller and wider). Overall, I got that I'd have at least if not more than a finger's worth of room on both sides (leaf spring to outer trim) with about a +7-8mm offset. I measured 130 mm from the outside of the inner "tire" cardboard to the inner face of the cardboard. 245mm/2 = 122.5mm -130mm = 7.5mm.

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Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: Uhcoog1] #1671586
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If you are unsure of spacers, do it right and do one of the following:
1. Run different offset front and rear
2. Run a wider rear that takes the same offset as the front




I'm leaning towards running different offset wheel although I do like the idea of rotating tires. Another rear end is not an option. I guess you could rotate them by dismounting them and placing them on another wheel if all the wheel widths are the same.

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The deal Tomswheels offered you is a smoking good deal.

Tomswheels set up gets my vote. Run the +24 in rear with offset shackles and a 1/4" steel spacer, and the +30 up front (going to be tight on the fender depending on your alignment and ride height).

There is zero issue with a 1/4" or smaller spacer.




Offset shackles are not an option at this point. Rear end is already installed and I can't move in perches. To use a max of a 1/4" spacer I have to find a wheel that offers a +30mm offset for the fronts and about a +13-14mm offset for the rears. Although, I have been looking at that site.

So far the wheel that may fit my description on Summit is:
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dgw-22786/overview/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dgw-22783/overview/

The Enkei PF01 is offered in +15mm, +35mm, and +45mm +with the 9.5" wide wheels. I'm not sure if they'll fit even though a 245/40/18 will still mount to them. I heard the center bores (at least for the RPF1's) have to be bored out to 73mm as they're tapered.

http://www.summitracing.com/search/brand...mp;autoview=SKU

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671587
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Samy, again, I have a whole slew of wheels between 18x8 and 18x10, between +20 and +50 offset you are welcome to just try on so you don't end up buying a set that doesn't work....

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: Tomswheels] #1671588
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Samy, again, I have a whole slew of wheels between 18x8 and 18x10, between +20 and +50 offset you are welcome to just try on so you don't end up buying a set that doesn't work....




Thanks for the offer, again. My problem is I don't have a set of wheels that will take the Dart down there.

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: Tomswheels] #1671589
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I have an 18x9 with a 265/35/18 mounted I could loan you, but the rest are either on the cars (69 Cuda and 67 Valiant) or needed for racing. It would be easier if you could drive the Dart down once you get it back together and we could take stuff on and off as needed... By the way, the 18x9 with a 265 or 275/35/18 can work in front, with some fender massaging....




I'm starting to believe Tom has some truth to fitting a 275 under an A-body. I visited my friend today and borrowed his Mustang wheels with 275/40/17's on them (he's got a late 90's or early 00's GT). He also gave me a 245/45/17 in case I wanted to swap them. The 275/40/17 is a Hancook Ventus and the 245/45/17 is a Nitto NT555. The jack stands are mounted underneath the rear end of the car with an 1/8 tank of gas (so the suspension is loaded). So, I tried the wheels on the driver's back of the Dart, no spacers or washers, it seems like the tires will fit with little modifications just with less offset. The wheel is flush on the rotor surface. and I can spin it freely without any rub.

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671590
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There's about an inch or so till you hit the outter wheel lip and if needed I could even trim that down a touch. The camera angle is kind of funky...

Re: 275 Series Tires, A-bodies, and Offset Shackles [Re: MuuMuu101] #1671591
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And there's a touch of room (maybe 1/4") between the leaf spring and the tire. Sorry for the blurry picture...

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