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Best years for diesel Ram? #1671137
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I know this has been asked before, but I can't find the threads. Considering 2000 to 2008 diesel Rams, which are the best years? It seems some were prone to rust and others had mechanical issues. I want to use it for plowing, pulling an open car trailer, and I will probably put a camper topper on it in the summer. Auto or stick would be fine.

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I like the 5.9L HO Cummins with automatic. They made them 2004 1/2 to I think 2006 1/2. I drove my 2004 1/2 300K miles with no major problems. Sold it last year and bought a 2005 with 51K miles. I upgraded one year and a quarter of a million miles less! Already have 93K on it now.


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Re: Best years for diesel Ram? [Re: gss] #1671139
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I don't know so much about the rust issues, I believe they all do after a number of years and depending on how they were treated. A couple things to consider is the Cummins in a 98.5-02 Ram truck are notorious for the VP injection pump going out. A quick google search will give you more topics on the subject than you can imagine. The injection pump is about $1000 to replace on them. Cummins diesels from 03+ are what they call a common rail and are a bit more modern. Injectors on a common rail are expensive to replace but rarely are there any injection pump problems.

Personally, I wouldn't be afraid of owning either one. Properly taken care of, both will do what you want them to do. Also, I would avoid the 6.7 Cummins like the plague Unless you remove the EGR + DPF. Be aware though that it is technically illegal to do. The first year of the 6.7 was halfway through the 2007 model year.

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03-06 will rust on the upper wheel lip bed area my 03 just started.

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Re: Best years for diesel Ram? [Re: gss] #1671141
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Get out of the rust country.

We've got loads of those trucks for sale in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. Just avoid coastal Texas areas.

Find a truck. Have a local Moparts member check it out. Fly in and drive it home. You'll spend about $600 on the weekend trip (I just did it) but you'll have a truck with zero rust.

Do the best you can with rust preventative before the winter sets in.


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Re: Best years for diesel Ram? [Re: gss] #1671142
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I know this has been asked before, but I can't find the threads. Considering 2000 to 2008 diesel Rams, which are the best years? It seems some were prone to rust and others had mechanical issues. I want to use it for plowing, pulling an open car trailer, and I will probably put a camper topper on it in the summer. Auto or stick would be fine.




Best years depends a bit on your priorities and how much you want to spend, but for me;

- 1998.5 12V Quad cab: only year of the quad cab with the bulletproof 12V using the 215hp pump. These trucks had issues with steering boxes and rear brakes.

- 2001.5/2002 HO 6spd. rear disk brakes, NV5600, HO motor

- 2003/pre-Jan 2004: best one ever IMO. New body style with much improved cab, better brakes and steering and NO POLLUTION control.


....from 2003 on, there are dissapointments every year and it's cumulative. DAMHIK. 2004.5 is OK but now you have a CAT and a post injection event to make it work (and burn/waste more fuel). 2006 and the nearly invulnerable NV5600 has been swapped for a G56 with a dual mass flywheel (garbage) and somewhere in there the intercooler tanks were plastic for a year.

My 2006 needs a new TIPM computor because the headlight burned out....$1200.00 and can only be reflashed once....google it.

My 2008 has VGT, EGR, CAT, NOX, DPF.....and has been a total bag of crap. Not Dodge or Cummins' fault, and certainly the Fords and GM's have all that stuff and are no better. Currently sitting on my desk is an estimate for repair for the 2008 to the tune of $4,000 including a turbo rebuild/replacement to deal with the dreaded P2563 code....google that too.


My 2003 with the NV5600 gets my vote as the best diesel ram ever built. I've had zero problems with this truck and it has only required replacement of regular wear items. It has absolutely no polution control and I've gotten a best of 20.2mpg. I regularly haul up to 20,000 lbs GCVW and the only mods I have are an aftermarket exhaust and MADS electronics Smarty programmer. 395 hp and almost 750 ft lbs.


Dave

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Re: Best years for diesel Ram? [Re: DPelletier] #1671143
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Seriously consider a dually unless you are getting a very small truck camper.

The 48RE was introduced in 2003 (but not all 2003's had it) and it is far stronger than the earlier 47RE. I would not buy another diesel ram with the 47RE, but although the 48RE is better than the 47, I strongly recommend the 6 spd, especially up to 2003. The NV5600 is the strongest transmission ever used in a light truck of any brand; with a good clutch (I recommend South Bend clutches), it can and will take whatever abuse you throw at it.



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Great information! Yes it will be a very small camper. Just for going to the races.

Any thoughts on Ram 2500 vs 3500?

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Small camper? 2500.
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Re: Best years for diesel Ram? [Re: gss] #1671146
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Great information! Yes it will be a very small camper. Just for going to the races.

Any thoughts on Ram 2500 vs 3500?




Depends on the year but for the most part the 3500 and 2500 are almost identical (assuming SRW). Clearance lights and overload springs....everything else is pretty much the same on third gen trucks.

as far as the camper goes, I had a 2700 lb Bigfoot 25C9.6 on my 2001 2500 and it handled it OK, but the 3500 dually was far better.....with my current 30C10.11 the dually isn't just nice, it's a necessity. Personally I'd draw the line at about 2500 lbs (empty) for a camper on a 2500....figure you'll carry 750 - 1000 lbs full of (stuff). If you are going to tow as well, don't forget the tongue weight...


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Seriously consider a dually unless you are getting a very small truck camper.

The 48RE was introduced in 2003 (but not all 2003's had it) and it is far stronger than the earlier 47RE. I would not buy another diesel ram with the 47RE, but although the 48RE is better than the 47, I strongly recommend the 6 spd, especially up to 2003. The NV5600 is the strongest transmission ever used in a light truck of any brand; with a good clutch (I recommend South Bend clutches), it can and will take whatever abuse you throw at it.






Does the VIN or underhood sticker indicate which transmission the truck has? Or, do I need to crawl under and inspect?

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I had a 2002 5.9 HO with the 6 speed. If I remember correctly, the shift pattern has reverse in a different place on the later 6 speed. Last time I drove that truck was nearly 3 years ago, so I don't remember, sorry.


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I had injector failure( very weak test and slight miss) on my 05 at 100,000. I replaced them all with brand new Bosch injectors myself and it cost almost $2000. I installed a extra fuel pump/filtration system that is supposed to help that problem.

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Seriously consider a dually unless you are getting a very small truck camper.

The 48RE was introduced in 2003 (but not all 2003's had it) and it is far stronger than the earlier 47RE. I would not buy another diesel ram with the 47RE, but although the 48RE is better than the 47, I strongly recommend the 6 spd, especially up to 2003. The NV5600 is the strongest transmission ever used in a light truck of any brand; with a good clutch (I recommend South Bend clutches), it can and will take whatever abuse you throw at it.






Does the VIN or underhood sticker indicate which transmission the truck has? Or, do I need to crawl under and inspect?




As far as the 47 vs. 48 automatics, the 47 was only used in '03 on the "standard duty" engine which IIRC was 250hp....the 48RE was the only auto used with the 305hp engine...the tag on the engine will tell you which.

As far as the NV5600 vs. G56 goes, the reverse is in a different spot: up and right on the NV5600 and down and left on the G56. The G56 isn't a bad tranny but the dual mass flywheel is a real POS and you can't go wrong with an NV5600

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Re: Best years for diesel Ram? [Re: DPelletier] #1671151
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I have owned a few of these trucks
1-2004.5 auto 2wd
1-2005 auto 2wd
1-2005 G56 4x4
1-2006 auto 2wd
and I now have a 2014 2wd with the Aisin in it
all have been great trucks if you get a common rail 5.9 I would add a extra 2 micron filter to help with the injectors.

Bosch makes the injectors and they call for the fuel to be filtered down to 2 micron but the factory Dodge filter is only 7 micron and that is where most of the injector failures come from.

The 48re is not as bad as a lot of people make them out to be, I had a lot of customers get 200k out of there stock unit behind a stock truck however a lot of people start turning up the coal and then [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] when the stock 48re fails. Both of my 48re's had well over 100k when I traded them and that was towing 12-15k on a regular basis.

The G56 is not a bad unit but the dual mass flywheel suck but that is an easy fix.

I would stay away from the early 6.7 but the later trucks say 2010 up are not having any where near the issues as the early ones where. And the 2013 up now us DEF so they use less EGR and are even better.

I love my new 14 it is a pulling beast with 850ft lb from the factory.


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Get out of the rust country.

We've got loads of those trucks for sale in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. Just avoid coastal Texas areas.

Find a truck. Have a local Moparts member check it out. Fly in and drive it home. You'll spend about $600 on the weekend trip (I just did it) but you'll have a truck with zero rust.

Do the best you can with rust preventative before the winter sets in.




Not a bad idea, thanks for volunteering

Although it looks like many of the texas trucks have the dashes cooked out of them. In Minnesota, there seems to be quite a few of them with around 80-140,000 miles that are used to pull a trailer south in the winter so they generally avoid the salt season.

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? [Re: gss] #1671154
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My experience with diesel Rams are a little different, as apparently I am much harder on transmissions than most. I lunched 7 NV4500's in a 1999 3500 and 3 G56's in a 2007 3500. My 2004 48RE just exploded after 2000 miles on a rebuild. I have blown up two Cummins engines, a 2004 305 555 and a 2005 325 600, both were injector related and probably my fault for not keeping up maintenance on the injectors. My next truck will be one with an NV5600 or AISIN trans to see how long they last with me driving them. I like the power and less noise of the Common Rail and better brakes/interior comfort of the 2004-2006 Rams, but hated the 2007-2009 interiors. I may go back to the 2001-2002 quad cab because of the interiors and disc brakes, plus the HO engine. I did not like the 2003 compromise interiors between old style and new.


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My experience with diesel Rams are a little different, as apparently I am much harder on transmissions than most. I lunched 7 NV4500's in a 1999 3500 and 3 G56's in a 2007 3500. My 2004 48RE just exploded after 2000 miles on a rebuild. I have blown up two Cummins engines, a 2004 305 555 and a 2005 325 600, both were injector related and probably my fault for not keeping up maintenance on the injectors. My next truck will be one with an NV5600 or AISIN trans to see how long they last with me driving them. I like the power and less noise of the Common Rail and better brakes/interior comfort of the 2004-2006 Rams, but hated the 2007-2009 interiors. I may go back to the 2001-2002 quad cab because of the interiors and disc brakes, plus the HO engine. I did not like the 2003 compromise interiors between old style and new.





Yeah maybe you need to change your driving habits but the injector problem is real but all you need to do is install a 2 micron filter like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/VPMAX-Single-Rem...d00&vxp=mtr and that greatly reduces injector problems, I have never had an injector problem but I always install a better fuel filter set up.

The 2013 and up now come with 2 fuel filters the canister filter up at the engine that is a 5 mic outer and 3 mic inner and a screw on filter/water separator under the bed that is a 3 mic I believe.

as far as the trans there is no reason for that I spent 27 years in that business and have done lots of ram units and I rarely saw one with problems before 150-200k and have customers that got 200k out of our rebuild with 0 problems.

my G56 was at 180k when I traded it and was still going strong and that was the original trans, clutch, flywheel and hydraulics.

But every one has different experiences. I do love the new 14 with 850ft lbs and the Aisin my only complaint so to speak is I think it has a little to much torque management programmed into it but no real biggy.


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All the trans problems occurred during heavy tows (11K-18K lbs, but never overloaded. I will never own another truck with an NV4500 or G56 if I do any towing, why they tried an aluminum trans (G56) with Cummins torque is beyond me. The injector problems were both ends, wide open hydrauliced the engine and injector went dead burning a piston. I will definitely use a separate filter on my next truck.


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