Moparts

Best years for diesel Ram?

Posted By: gss

Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/15/14 07:02 AM

I know this has been asked before, but I can't find the threads. Considering 2000 to 2008 diesel Rams, which are the best years? It seems some were prone to rust and others had mechanical issues. I want to use it for plowing, pulling an open car trailer, and I will probably put a camper topper on it in the summer. Auto or stick would be fine.
Posted By: MuscleMopars

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/15/14 07:31 AM

I like the 5.9L HO Cummins with automatic. They made them 2004 1/2 to I think 2006 1/2. I drove my 2004 1/2 300K miles with no major problems. Sold it last year and bought a 2005 with 51K miles. I upgraded one year and a quarter of a million miles less! Already have 93K on it now.
Posted By: BEINGmeISaCRIME

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/15/14 12:03 PM

I don't know so much about the rust issues, I believe they all do after a number of years and depending on how they were treated. A couple things to consider is the Cummins in a 98.5-02 Ram truck are notorious for the VP injection pump going out. A quick google search will give you more topics on the subject than you can imagine. The injection pump is about $1000 to replace on them. Cummins diesels from 03+ are what they call a common rail and are a bit more modern. Injectors on a common rail are expensive to replace but rarely are there any injection pump problems.

Personally, I wouldn't be afraid of owning either one. Properly taken care of, both will do what you want them to do. Also, I would avoid the 6.7 Cummins like the plague Unless you remove the EGR + DPF. Be aware though that it is technically illegal to do. The first year of the 6.7 was halfway through the 2007 model year.
Posted By: Savoy1964

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/15/14 04:05 PM

03-06 will rust on the upper wheel lip bed area my 03 just started.
Posted By: feets

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/15/14 04:16 PM

Get out of the rust country.

We've got loads of those trucks for sale in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. Just avoid coastal Texas areas.

Find a truck. Have a local Moparts member check it out. Fly in and drive it home. You'll spend about $600 on the weekend trip (I just did it) but you'll have a truck with zero rust.

Do the best you can with rust preventative before the winter sets in.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/15/14 05:35 PM

Quote:

I know this has been asked before, but I can't find the threads. Considering 2000 to 2008 diesel Rams, which are the best years? It seems some were prone to rust and others had mechanical issues. I want to use it for plowing, pulling an open car trailer, and I will probably put a camper topper on it in the summer. Auto or stick would be fine.




Best years depends a bit on your priorities and how much you want to spend, but for me;

- 1998.5 12V Quad cab: only year of the quad cab with the bulletproof 12V using the 215hp pump. These trucks had issues with steering boxes and rear brakes.

- 2001.5/2002 HO 6spd. rear disk brakes, NV5600, HO motor

- 2003/pre-Jan 2004: best one ever IMO. New body style with much improved cab, better brakes and steering and NO POLLUTION control.


....from 2003 on, there are dissapointments every year and it's cumulative. DAMHIK. 2004.5 is OK but now you have a CAT and a post injection event to make it work (and burn/waste more fuel). 2006 and the nearly invulnerable NV5600 has been swapped for a G56 with a dual mass flywheel (garbage) and somewhere in there the intercooler tanks were plastic for a year.

My 2006 needs a new TIPM computor because the headlight burned out....$1200.00 and can only be reflashed once....google it.

My 2008 has VGT, EGR, CAT, NOX, DPF.....and has been a total bag of crap. Not Dodge or Cummins' fault, and certainly the Fords and GM's have all that stuff and are no better. Currently sitting on my desk is an estimate for repair for the 2008 to the tune of $4,000 including a turbo rebuild/replacement to deal with the dreaded P2563 code....google that too.


My 2003 with the NV5600 gets my vote as the best diesel ram ever built. I've had zero problems with this truck and it has only required replacement of regular wear items. It has absolutely no polution control and I've gotten a best of 20.2mpg. I regularly haul up to 20,000 lbs GCVW and the only mods I have are an aftermarket exhaust and MADS electronics Smarty programmer. 395 hp and almost 750 ft lbs.


Dave
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/15/14 05:39 PM

Seriously consider a dually unless you are getting a very small truck camper.

The 48RE was introduced in 2003 (but not all 2003's had it) and it is far stronger than the earlier 47RE. I would not buy another diesel ram with the 47RE, but although the 48RE is better than the 47, I strongly recommend the 6 spd, especially up to 2003. The NV5600 is the strongest transmission ever used in a light truck of any brand; with a good clutch (I recommend South Bend clutches), it can and will take whatever abuse you throw at it.

Posted By: gss

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/15/14 07:05 PM

Great information! Yes it will be a very small camper. Just for going to the races.

Any thoughts on Ram 2500 vs 3500?
Posted By: dogdays

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/15/14 08:21 PM

Small camper? 2500.
R.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/16/14 02:42 AM

Quote:

Great information! Yes it will be a very small camper. Just for going to the races.

Any thoughts on Ram 2500 vs 3500?




Depends on the year but for the most part the 3500 and 2500 are almost identical (assuming SRW). Clearance lights and overload springs....everything else is pretty much the same on third gen trucks.

as far as the camper goes, I had a 2700 lb Bigfoot 25C9.6 on my 2001 2500 and it handled it OK, but the 3500 dually was far better.....with my current 30C10.11 the dually isn't just nice, it's a necessity. Personally I'd draw the line at about 2500 lbs (empty) for a camper on a 2500....figure you'll carry 750 - 1000 lbs full of (stuff). If you are going to tow as well, don't forget the tongue weight...


Dave
Posted By: gss

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/16/14 04:03 AM

Quote:

Seriously consider a dually unless you are getting a very small truck camper.

The 48RE was introduced in 2003 (but not all 2003's had it) and it is far stronger than the earlier 47RE. I would not buy another diesel ram with the 47RE, but although the 48RE is better than the 47, I strongly recommend the 6 spd, especially up to 2003. The NV5600 is the strongest transmission ever used in a light truck of any brand; with a good clutch (I recommend South Bend clutches), it can and will take whatever abuse you throw at it.






Does the VIN or underhood sticker indicate which transmission the truck has? Or, do I need to crawl under and inspect?
Posted By: Polarapete

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/16/14 05:35 AM

I had a 2002 5.9 HO with the 6 speed. If I remember correctly, the shift pattern has reverse in a different place on the later 6 speed. Last time I drove that truck was nearly 3 years ago, so I don't remember, sorry.
Posted By: fastmark

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/16/14 03:26 PM

I had injector failure( very weak test and slight miss) on my 05 at 100,000. I replaced them all with brand new Bosch injectors myself and it cost almost $2000. I installed a extra fuel pump/filtration system that is supposed to help that problem.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/16/14 04:44 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Seriously consider a dually unless you are getting a very small truck camper.

The 48RE was introduced in 2003 (but not all 2003's had it) and it is far stronger than the earlier 47RE. I would not buy another diesel ram with the 47RE, but although the 48RE is better than the 47, I strongly recommend the 6 spd, especially up to 2003. The NV5600 is the strongest transmission ever used in a light truck of any brand; with a good clutch (I recommend South Bend clutches), it can and will take whatever abuse you throw at it.






Does the VIN or underhood sticker indicate which transmission the truck has? Or, do I need to crawl under and inspect?




As far as the 47 vs. 48 automatics, the 47 was only used in '03 on the "standard duty" engine which IIRC was 250hp....the 48RE was the only auto used with the 305hp engine...the tag on the engine will tell you which.

As far as the NV5600 vs. G56 goes, the reverse is in a different spot: up and right on the NV5600 and down and left on the G56. The G56 isn't a bad tranny but the dual mass flywheel is a real POS and you can't go wrong with an NV5600

Dave
Posted By: dusturbd340W5

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/17/14 01:04 AM

I have owned a few of these trucks
1-2004.5 auto 2wd
1-2005 auto 2wd
1-2005 G56 4x4
1-2006 auto 2wd
and I now have a 2014 2wd with the Aisin in it
all have been great trucks if you get a common rail 5.9 I would add a extra 2 micron filter to help with the injectors.

Bosch makes the injectors and they call for the fuel to be filtered down to 2 micron but the factory Dodge filter is only 7 micron and that is where most of the injector failures come from.

The 48re is not as bad as a lot of people make them out to be, I had a lot of customers get 200k out of there stock unit behind a stock truck however a lot of people start turning up the coal and then [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean] when the stock 48re fails. Both of my 48re's had well over 100k when I traded them and that was towing 12-15k on a regular basis.

The G56 is not a bad unit but the dual mass flywheel suck but that is an easy fix.

I would stay away from the early 6.7 but the later trucks say 2010 up are not having any where near the issues as the early ones where. And the 2013 up now us DEF so they use less EGR and are even better.

I love my new 14 it is a pulling beast with 850ft lb from the factory.
Posted By: J_BODY

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/17/14 05:17 AM

01 47re.... rebuilt it with Dave Goerends guidance for $1400 80K miles ago. Putting down 700lb ft torque. Tows my loaded race trailer 75mph up a 6% grade if I feel like beating on it (egt through the roof so I only did this once.... ). 47/48 can live. NV5600 are good.... but don't break it!! parts availiblity getting pretty bad.
Posted By: gss

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/17/14 03:30 PM

Quote:

Get out of the rust country.

We've got loads of those trucks for sale in Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. Just avoid coastal Texas areas.

Find a truck. Have a local Moparts member check it out. Fly in and drive it home. You'll spend about $600 on the weekend trip (I just did it) but you'll have a truck with zero rust.

Do the best you can with rust preventative before the winter sets in.




Not a bad idea, thanks for volunteering

Although it looks like many of the texas trucks have the dashes cooked out of them. In Minnesota, there seems to be quite a few of them with around 80-140,000 miles that are used to pull a trailer south in the winter so they generally avoid the salt season.
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/17/14 07:25 PM

My experience with diesel Rams are a little different, as apparently I am much harder on transmissions than most. I lunched 7 NV4500's in a 1999 3500 and 3 G56's in a 2007 3500. My 2004 48RE just exploded after 2000 miles on a rebuild. I have blown up two Cummins engines, a 2004 305 555 and a 2005 325 600, both were injector related and probably my fault for not keeping up maintenance on the injectors. My next truck will be one with an NV5600 or AISIN trans to see how long they last with me driving them. I like the power and less noise of the Common Rail and better brakes/interior comfort of the 2004-2006 Rams, but hated the 2007-2009 interiors. I may go back to the 2001-2002 quad cab because of the interiors and disc brakes, plus the HO engine. I did not like the 2003 compromise interiors between old style and new.
Posted By: dusturbd340W5

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/18/14 01:16 AM

Quote:

My experience with diesel Rams are a little different, as apparently I am much harder on transmissions than most. I lunched 7 NV4500's in a 1999 3500 and 3 G56's in a 2007 3500. My 2004 48RE just exploded after 2000 miles on a rebuild. I have blown up two Cummins engines, a 2004 305 555 and a 2005 325 600, both were injector related and probably my fault for not keeping up maintenance on the injectors. My next truck will be one with an NV5600 or AISIN trans to see how long they last with me driving them. I like the power and less noise of the Common Rail and better brakes/interior comfort of the 2004-2006 Rams, but hated the 2007-2009 interiors. I may go back to the 2001-2002 quad cab because of the interiors and disc brakes, plus the HO engine. I did not like the 2003 compromise interiors between old style and new.





Yeah maybe you need to change your driving habits but the injector problem is real but all you need to do is install a 2 micron filter like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/VPMAX-Single-Rem...d00&vxp=mtr and that greatly reduces injector problems, I have never had an injector problem but I always install a better fuel filter set up.

The 2013 and up now come with 2 fuel filters the canister filter up at the engine that is a 5 mic outer and 3 mic inner and a screw on filter/water separator under the bed that is a 3 mic I believe.

as far as the trans there is no reason for that I spent 27 years in that business and have done lots of ram units and I rarely saw one with problems before 150-200k and have customers that got 200k out of our rebuild with 0 problems.

my G56 was at 180k when I traded it and was still going strong and that was the original trans, clutch, flywheel and hydraulics.

But every one has different experiences. I do love the new 14 with 850ft lbs and the Aisin my only complaint so to speak is I think it has a little to much torque management programmed into it but no real biggy.
Posted By: Rhinodart

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/18/14 04:36 AM

All the trans problems occurred during heavy tows (11K-18K lbs, but never overloaded. I will never own another truck with an NV4500 or G56 if I do any towing, why they tried an aluminum trans (G56) with Cummins torque is beyond me. The injector problems were both ends, wide open hydrauliced the engine and injector went dead burning a piston. I will definitely use a separate filter on my next truck.
Posted By: dusturbd340W5

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/18/14 10:15 PM

Quote:

All the trans problems occurred during heavy tows (11K-18K lbs, but never overloaded. I will never own another truck with an NV4500 or G56 if I do any towing, why they tried an aluminum trans (G56) with Cummins torque is beyond me. The injector problems were both ends, wide open hydrauliced the engine and injector went dead burning a piston. I will definitely use a separate filter on my next truck.





The G56 has been pretty reliable all in all, my G56 hardly ever left the drive that it didn't have 12-15k behind it.

The biggest injector problems come from fuel that is not clean enough a good filter goes a long way on these trucks.
Posted By: gss

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/22/14 05:34 PM

Looked at an '06 2500 over the weekend. 120,000 miles but mint in and out for $23,000. Thought it was odd that it had black fender flares on a dark red metallic body. Hmmm, several other used Rams on the lot had the same fender flares. Salesman says Oh no, we didn't put those on, no way we did that. I pulled up the online pictures and there are no flares, just a big rust hole above the rear wheel. So, it seems to be S.O.P. to cover the rust with flares and claim the truck is rust-free. Oh well, there is a 2004 for $19000 that I will check out this weekend.
Posted By: hemi70se

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/23/14 01:42 AM

If you are looking for a 3rd gen Ram I would buy a late 07 or 08 with the 6.7 motor and get a MEGA cab if you can afford it. Nothing wrong with the earlier 5.9 trucks but I don't understand why anyone would want to live with a 4 SPEED automatic when you can have a 6 speed automatic. 5.9s generally have a RE48 trans, have you seen one? they are puny, look like a 727 and your going to run 600lbs of torque through it? I'd much rather have the 68RFE from behind a 6.7 Cummins, it's beefier, you can also switch to a lower gear with the flick of a switch on the column. Now if you remove the DPF, EGR, and CAT you can also get just as good of mpg as any 5.9. I've had plenty of 6.7's that get 21-22MPG on the hiway. Looking at 04-05s doesn't even give you an option for a mega cab. Then you are looking at 06-08 for a mega. 2006 5.9 mega's are selling for a premium now because of all the buyers who think they are the only ones that get 20+ MPG. Oh, and 6.7 trucks all come with a factory exhaust brake which is cool as heck.
Posted By: gss

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/23/14 05:15 AM

Quote:

If you are looking for a 3rd gen Ram I would buy a late 07 or 08 with the 6.7 motor and get a MEGA cab if you can afford it. Nothing wrong with the earlier 5.9 trucks but I don't understand why anyone would want to live with a 4 SPEED automatic when you can have a 6 speed automatic. 5.9s generally have a RE48 trans, have you seen one? they are puny, look like a 727 and your going to run 600lbs of torque through it? I'd much rather have the 68RFE from behind a 6.7 Cummins, it's beefier, you can also switch to a lower gear with the flick of a switch on the column. Now if you remove the DPF, EGR, and CAT you can also get just as good of mpg as any 5.9. I've had plenty of 6.7's that get 21-22MPG on the hiway. Looking at 04-05s doesn't even give you an option for a mega cab. Then you are looking at 06-08 for a mega. 2006 5.9 mega's are selling for a premium now because of all the buyers who think they are the only ones that get 20+ MPG. Oh, and 6.7 trucks all come with a factory exhaust brake which is cool as heck.


I don't want a mega cab, in fact if they still made a quad cab, I would buy new. I need to plow my office parking lots in the winter and in the summer I will be using it for trips to the strip and cabin. I need to be able to maneuver around some obstacles in the parking lots so I don't want to go too big. One of the above posts said the 2007+ Rams don't have the same rust problems as the earlier ones so I will expand my search to include the 2007-08. Thanks
Posted By: VL21

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/23/14 05:40 AM



Say, just a thought ... Rhinotruck has his '04, just sitting ...




Attached picture 8278156-JoeIsuzu.jpg
Posted By: hemi70se

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/23/14 05:09 PM

All the 3rd Gen's have the same rust problem over the rear wheel wells because of the support design. If you can afford newer that is the way I would go. The 4th gen CREW cab back seat has way more room than a 03-08 quad cab. If you get a short box the wheelbase would still make it easy enough to maneuver as a plow truck. I just bought a 12 Mega cab Laramie so I will be selling my 2010 Crew Shortbox Laramie 4x4 diesel, only has 23k on it and gets 21MPG.
Posted By: gtsdude

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/23/14 05:38 PM

The injector problems are definitely fuel related, at our shop we just replace injectors in a 04.5 5.9 that had almost 300k on its original injectors, the truck is serviced regularly and used everyday to haul livestock. That same truck has a 6 speed manual that was replaced with a rebuilt at 180k and by no means does it haul heavy loads. On a side note, we replaced a 6 speed manual in an 08 6.7 cat delete, with a tuner, 4 door single axle, the owner said he saw 50k a couple times on the scale with his 5th wheel hauling large hay bales!
That was an expensive one with close to 6k in clutch and rebuilt trans.

Attached picture 8278500-aspensideshot.png
Posted By: Silver70

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/23/14 11:45 PM

Quote:



- 1998.5 12V Quad cab: only year of the quad cab with the bulletproof 12V using the 215hp pump. These trucks had issues with steering boxes and rear brakes.






Wouldn't a 98.5 be a 24v? My friends has a 98.5 sport quad cab, it's a 24v.

Anyways...

As much as I like my 01, it doesn't ride anywhere as nice as the newer ones in my experiences. If I parted with mine I would get an 03-06 6 speed... another friend had an 04 6 sp, I wish I had the $ to buy it when he sold it.
Posted By: gss

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/24/14 04:45 AM

Quote:

All the 3rd Gen's have the same rust problem over the rear wheel wells because of the support design. If you can afford newer that is the way I would go. The 4th gen CREW cab back seat has way more room than a 03-08 quad cab. If you get a short box the wheelbase would still make it easy enough to maneuver as a plow truck. I just bought a 12 Mega cab Laramie so I will be selling my 2010 Crew Shortbox Laramie 4x4 diesel, only has 23k on it and gets 21MPG.




Sounds like a nice truck. A 2008 is almost a foot shorter than a 2010 I believe. That would let me park it in the third stall of my attached garage so I wouldn't have to keep it in my shop building. Even a 3rd gen would be tight.
Posted By: DPelletier

Re: Best years for diesel Ram? - 09/25/14 11:29 PM

Quote:

Quote:



- 1998.5 12V Quad cab: only year of the quad cab with the bulletproof 12V using the 215hp pump. These trucks had issues with steering boxes and rear brakes.






Wouldn't a 98.5 be a 24v? My friends has a 98.5 sport quad cab, it's a 24v.

Anyways...

As much as I like my 01, it doesn't ride anywhere as nice as the newer ones in my experiences. If I parted with mine I would get an 03-06 6 speed... another friend had an 04 6 sp, I wish I had the $ to buy it when he sold it.




Nope the 12v was available until mid 1998...after that they switched to the 24V. I should have said "early 1998 12V trucks"

I agree that the Gen3's are much nicer driving than the Gen 2's.


Again; the 2003/early 2004 305/555 trucks with the NV5600 get my vote as the BEST Dodge diesel ever built....and I own a 6.7 truck with the 6 speed auto....won't be buying another one.

Myself, my closest friend and my cousin all have 2003's and haven't had a single issue with any of them. Mark and I both haul very heavy truck campers with trailers behind and my cousin has a large toy hauler 5th wheel...wish I could say the same about the other 4 Cummins rams I own.



Dave
© 2024 Moparts Forums