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Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: dvw] #1665526
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Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: max_maniac] #1665527
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You know it's funny. I posted this because I've been trying to get my friend to regear his car for the 1/4. I personally don't care for the 1/8 either. And for the comment "90 percent of the races are won on the line" If you race that way you are either VERY good at the line or don't win much. I find action at the stripe at speed a lot of fun. The recent 2 races I won had a couple of "come from behind". Including a .007 stripe on a guy who had a .000 R/T
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Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: dvw] #1665528
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Why is it that when brand new cars are relished from the factory they always brag about their 1/4 mile time slip and not their 1/8 mile time-slip? Because people can relate to 1/4 mile times and could care less about hearing their 1/8 mile time.

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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1665529
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One of the dumbest things I hear is when people say racing 1/8 mile gets things through quicker.
I know at our 1/4 mile track, if a 10 flat car lifts at the 1/8 mile and coasts out doing 110 mph, he is going to take way longer to get off the track for the next pair than lifting at 135 mph at the 1/4 mile finish line and coasting out.

69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8
Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: B3422W5] #1665530
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One of the dumbest things I hear is when people say racing 1/8 mile gets things through quicker.
I know at our 1/4 mile track, if a 10 flat car lifts at the 1/8 mile and coasts out doing 110 mph, he is going to take way longer to get off the track for the next pair than lifting at 135 mph at the 1/4 mile finish line and coasting out.




Now here's where I will disagree as I have witnessed it. 1/8 mile racing will and does shorten the racing program. We used to end up racing till 4am during the Halloween Classic till they switched over to 1/8 mile racing. Now we finish up way earlier which is great at that time of year. I'm kinda open minded on this subject as I do both and at times 1/8 mile is the smart move. (high car counts, bad weather, track conditions, cold track condition)

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422 Indy headed small block
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Livin and lovin life one day at a time
Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: B3422W5] #1665531
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The only thing about 1/8 mile racing is they have
way less oil downs.. oil downs take a ton of time
(and money)
Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1665532
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One of the dumbest things I hear is when people say racing 1/8 mile gets things through quicker.
I know at our 1/4 mile track, if a 10 flat car lifts at the 1/8 mile and coasts out doing 110 mph, he is going to take way longer to get off the track for the next pair than lifting at 135 mph at the 1/4 mile finish line and coasting out.




Now here's where I will disagree as I have witnessed it. 1/8 mile racing will and does shorten the racing program. We used to end up racing till 4am during the Halloween Classic till they switched over to 1/8 mile racing. Now we finish up way earlier which is great at that time of year. I'm kinda open minded on this subject as I do both and at times 1/8 mile is the smart move. (high car counts, bad weather, track conditions, cold track condition)




And I guess I will disagree with this if you are referring to Norwalk. IF all things the same as far as oil downs then the 1/4 is quicker as the cars are getting to the end of the track quicker. Norwalk does not usually open the earlier turn offs so either way the cars HAVE to run to the end of the track. Please explain how a car running slower will clear the track quicker

Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1665533
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The only thing about 1/8 mile racing is they have
way less oil downs.. oil downs take a ton of time
(and money)




Interesting comment.

This year I have done a lot of watching at Saturday bracket races( getting pumped back up by finally having a car again)
And from sitting at the starting line watching pair after pair after pair race..... Most all car issues arise either after coming out of the water box( by far the most common) or immediately after the starting line...... Hoses, tranny lines, shifters, U joints, axles, water leaks... Etc, seem to most always happen from about 20 feet downtrack, to back in the water box.
Not saying stuff doesn't break from 660 to 1320, but it's insignificant compared to stuff I posted above... I would say a tenth as much failure...
Now I am talking bracket cars.....
Maybe I am wrong, but I have watched a ton of cars for a ton of years, I see what I see.
Oil downs take a long time to fix, but most failures happen around the starting line and water box.

69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8
Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: B3422W5] #1665534
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The only thing about 1/8 mile racing is they have
way less oil downs.. oil downs take a ton of time
(and money)




Interesting comment.

This year I have done a lot of watching at Saturday bracket races( getting pumped back up by finally having a car again)
And from sitting at the starting line watching pair after pair after pair race..... Most all car issues arise either after coming out of the water box( by far the most common) or immediately after the starting line...... Hoses, tranny lines, shifters, U joints, axles, water leaks... Etc, seem to most always happen from about 20 feet downtrack, to back in the water box.
Not saying stuff doesn't break from 660 to 1320, but it's insignificant compared to stuff I posted above... I would say a tenth as much failure...
Now I am talking bracket cars.....
Maybe I am wrong, but I have watched a ton of cars for a ton of years, I see what I see.
Oil downs take a long time to fix, but most failures happen around the starting line and water box.



Cars do tend to blow up rear ends on the starting line,
thats where the stress is... but they dont string
out the oil... when they blow a engine on the top end
they string the oil out for a LONG WAY... much harder
to clean it up and more time and money
Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: max_maniac] #1665535
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One of the dumbest things I hear is when people say racing 1/8 mile gets things through quicker.
I know at our 1/4 mile track, if a 10 flat car lifts at the 1/8 mile and coasts out doing 110 mph, he is going to take way longer to get off the track for the next pair than lifting at 135 mph at the 1/4 mile finish line and coasting out.




Now here's where I will disagree as I have witnessed it. 1/8 mile racing will and does shorten the racing program. We used to end up racing till 4am during the Halloween Classic till they switched over to 1/8 mile racing. Now we finish up way earlier which is great at that time of year. I'm kinda open minded on this subject as I do both and at times 1/8 mile is the smart move. (high car counts, bad weather, track conditions, cold track condition)




And I guess I will disagree with this if you are referring to Norwalk. IF all things the same as far as oil downs then the 1/4 is quicker as the cars are getting to the end of the track quicker. Norwalk does not usually open the earlier turn offs so either way the cars HAVE to run to the end of the track. Please explain how a car running slower will clear the track quicker



That was the point I was trying to make as well. 131 doesn't have an early turnout. Running 1/8 it takes way longer to coast out and clear the track.... Plus the ET shack is well past where you would be even if there was an earlier turnout.
Guess I never noticed Norwalk had an early turnout. When do they use it? For jr dragsters?

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418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8
Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: max_maniac] #1665536
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One of the dumbest things I hear is when people say racing 1/8 mile gets things through quicker.
I know at our 1/4 mile track, if a 10 flat car lifts at the 1/8 mile and coasts out doing 110 mph, he is going to take way longer to get off the track for the next pair than lifting at 135 mph at the 1/4 mile finish line and coasting out.




Now here's where I will disagree as I have witnessed it. 1/8 mile racing will and does shorten the racing program. We used to end up racing till 4am during the Halloween Classic till they switched over to 1/8 mile racing. Now we finish up way earlier which is great at that time of year. I'm kinda open minded on this subject as I do both and at times 1/8 mile is the smart move. (high car counts, bad weather, track conditions, cold track condition)




And I guess I will disagree with this if you are referring to Norwalk. IF all things the same as far as oil downs then the 1/4 is quicker as the cars are getting to the end of the track quicker. Norwalk does not usually open the earlier turn offs so either way the cars HAVE to run to the end of the track. Please explain how a car running slower will clear the track quicker





Pay attention to Norwalks burnout procedure and you will see this has zero affect on running their program. The second both cars leave the guys in the water start their burn-outs. By time they are ready to stage those cars are off the track and long gone.

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422 Indy headed small block
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9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time
Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1665537
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guys,I guess I started this conversation of quarter vs eigth mile ,and I would much rather run quarter mile.In fact,Bowling Green is a quarter mile track 72 miles away from me,but,they run eighth mile in their reg Sunday program!?>They do however run a quarter mile trophy class,and I am getting a street car together just to run that.Plus ,I can take it to the big MOPAR meets and have sumpin to run at those ,too.I ran my 1/8 th mile car at BG once ,but I got into the limiter at 1000 ft and only ran 11.18.I think a 10.90 would be more likely if I had some more RPM or less gear.If I still had the 8 3/4 in it I could throw some 4.10's in it and see.I don't see how running quarter miole would slow a program down much,you are only on the track for 4 seconds longer!

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Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: CraigS] #1665538
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Guess I'll throw my 2cts in. lol. I prefer 1/8 for the big $$ races, and here's my take. A 69 Dart is like an aero brick. That last 660' pull against a digger or alterd, is giving up an edge. Areo and high closure advantages, are much more equal, in the 1/8. I also think it puts a little more pressure on the driver and the vehicle planner and mechanic. It's all tight, and it all has to be dialed and functioning within .005 to .01 around here.
Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: Leigh] #1665539
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i have done both myself,and am a 1/4 mile fan,but years ago racing 1/8 at pacemakers was a blast on sat nights,you almost always had to dial down as it got cooler.and with no lights past the 1/8 you would disappear and hope like hell you could see where you were going.now its lit up and has concrete starting pad.sure beat national trails on a 95 degree sunday with no breeze and no shade anywhere.but its all fun....

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Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: dakotawilly] #1665540
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I like them both but would rather 1/8th mile race any day. BTW Norwalk runs the 10k's 1/8th mile...

5.53 @ 125 1/8th on the launch control..more left in her!

Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: Eric] #1665541
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ok guess i'll chime in since dvw is asking the question for me. was wondering if super pro was 1/8 mile becouse if you cant qualify for quick 16 you get bumped to super pro, but quick 16 is 1/8 mile so if im set up to run quick 16 and dont make the field it doesnt do much good. as far as tracks in michigan that run super pro 1/4 mile i'm pretty sure the only one that does is 131.and as far as it taking longer to get off the track after an 1/8th mile pass i'm going 132mph at the stripe and am off the track faster than most cars running in pro 1/4 mile. also the reason for asking was that norwalk runs the no box bonanza 1/8th mile and the ten grander box race was also 1/8th mile. wasnt trying to get everybody all worked up, just trying to get a game plan if i dont qualify for quick 16
Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: sandmangtx] #1665542
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dont give into the pier pressure doug, all i've heard from you for years is if you cant cut a light you'll never win !!! I'll agree that driving the stripe is also very fun and important, especially after losing a race this weekend in the 6th round with a .000 light to his .003 light unfortunatly i took a little to much stripe! but if he wasn't .003 on the tree driving the big end would have been alot easier. and driving the stripe at 130 - 140 mph in the 1/8th is alot harder than 130 to 140 mph in the 1/4 you got alot less time to make decisions. But it seems like alot more tracks are switching to 1/8th mile for super pro for insurance reasons
Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: sandmangtx] #1665543
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ok guess i'll chime in since dvw is asking the question for me. was wondering if super pro was 1/8 mile becouse if you cant qualify for quick 16 you get bumped to super pro, but quick 16 is 1/8 mile so if im set up to run quick 16 and dont make the field it doesnt do much good. as far as tracks in michigan that run super pro 1/4 mile i'm pretty sure the only one that does is 131.and as far as it taking longer to get off the track after an 1/8th mile pass i'm going 132mph at the stripe and am off the track faster than most cars running in pro 1/4 mile. also the reason for asking was that norwalk runs the no box bonanza 1/8th mile and the ten grander box race was also 1/8th mile. wasnt trying to get everybody all worked up, just trying to get a game plan if i dont qualify for quick 16




132mph 1/8 mile speed won't get you in the program I don't think. The year I wrecked (2010) there I ran a 5.48@140 something and wouldn't have made the field.

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422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time
Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1665544
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were they running quick 16 or quick 32 at the race you were at? and what is the average et and speed to make it in the quick 32 field, I'm guessing they will have 16 dragsters and 16 door cars. what e.t do you think it will take to qualify in a door car? speed above was in dragster 5.18 e.t @ 132mph. Door car to be tested this weekend, 68 tube chassis gtx with blown big block on alky.

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Re: Super Pro at Monster Mopar Norwalk 1/8 or 1/4? [Re: sandmangtx] #1665545
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Norwalk was a quick 32 in 2010. Charlie still ran it that year and I'm thinking the door-side was around 5.30 to get in. Check MM website because for some reason I think Kilcare was an all run field under a certain ET.

1970 Duster
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5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time
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