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Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block
[Re: Street Monkies]
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08/28/14 05:00 AM
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Most Mopar guys aren't going to spend the $$$
No sales = No return on investment
The guys that have pushed the envelope, have done so because they were able to afford to do so and clearly liked a challenge.
Alan Jones
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Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block
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08/28/14 08:27 AM
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It was brought up before, for every 10 mopars at the track, there are 100 chevys/fords, the demand is simply not there.
are you telling me my purple cam isn't good anymore?
Faster, Faster until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...
71 Swinger - slowly collecting dust/parts
66 Belv. II - just a streetcar
88 Mustang - turbo LS beater
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Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block
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08/28/14 10:36 AM
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IMO. mopar has never really supported the performance aftermarket to anywhere near its potential...but pragmatically there's not much money to be made in the aftermarket when your proportional sales volume has historically (I'm rough guessing here) been about one 3rd of Ford and maybe one sixth of Chevy. Case in point, remember when MOPAR was trying to sue everyone for infringement? They were so late to the aftermarket demand as an act of desperation to make anything off of the Mopar heritage they tried to 'tax' the free market aftermarket trying to fill the need that Mopar willfully ignored for years. If they were serious about it they would offer market competitive pricing on things like crate motors and not be selling (as good as they are) the same old 40+ year old flat tappet cam grinds...  The resurgence of the Musclecar market was really the only financial interest they have had in it for the past 25 years or so...and even that is small potatos in the grand scheme of things. But I suspect they'll support the new Hemi crate motor because it doesn't really cost very much at all to pluck one off the assembly line and strap it to a pallet. But as for head and block R&D, I wouldn't hold my breath. to be honest our best hope is the new Hemi, it has proven to be about the only viable alternative to the uber popular LS since the Ford motors (as cool and sophisticated as they are) are massive and heavy and much more difficult to transplant.
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Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block
[Re: Streetwize]
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08/28/14 10:58 AM
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Chrysler has 13-14 percent of the total market place in sales(new car/truck sales).. not the largest by any means... also they dont seem to be into the idea of racing(look at what they are involved in) and it seems they dont have the extra money to do aftermarket stuff for racing 
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Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block
[Re: Street Monkies]
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08/28/14 11:27 AM
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http://thitek.net/news/jesses-200mph-challenger-hot-rod-magazine/Quote:
Built by Spankin Time Performance in San Bernardino, California, Jesse Iwuji’s Challenger uses a Darton-sleeved, 408ci Hemi stroker crank from Scat spinning a set of Carillo rods and CP pistons. The engine also has ThiTek heads and a 4.2L Kenne Bell supercharger that runs as much as 22 psi of boost on E85. The exhaust uses OVX long tube headers, Bassani mid-pipes, and Flowmaster Super 40–Series mufflers.
The 912 rwhp gets to the ground by way of an SHR transmission, a DSS driveshaft, and the stock differential and axles with 3.06 gears. With that combo, Jesse became the fifth modern Mopar to break the 200-mph barrier in the standing mile, running 200.9 mph. He’s also run 174 mph in the half-mile, which is the same speed our showroom-stock ’13 Dodge Challenger SRT ran in a mile and a half.
http://www.nmcadigital.com/2013/09/19/br...r-for-rob-goss/
i guess some R&D must be goin on
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Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block
[Re: 74yellowduster]
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08/28/14 09:04 PM
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Quote:
http://thitek.net/news/jesses-200mph-challenger-hot-rod-magazine/
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Built by Spankin Time Performance in San Bernardino, California, Jesse Iwuji’s Challenger uses a Darton-sleeved, 408ci Hemi stroker crank from Scat spinning a set of Carillo rods and CP pistons. The engine also has ThiTek heads and a 4.2L Kenne Bell supercharger that runs as much as 22 psi of boost on E85. The exhaust uses OVX long tube headers, Bassani mid-pipes, and Flowmaster Super 40–Series mufflers.
The 912 rwhp gets to the ground by way of an SHR transmission, a DSS driveshaft, and the stock differential and axles with 3.06 gears. With that combo, Jesse became the fifth modern Mopar to break the 200-mph barrier in the standing mile, running 200.9 mph. He’s also run 174 mph in the half-mile, which is the same speed our showroom-stock ’13 Dodge Challenger SRT ran in a mile and a half.
http://www.nmcadigital.com/2013/09/19/br...r-for-rob-goss/
i guess some R&D must be goin on
The be blunt........so what...........ain't nothing about that really impressive. A new HEMI with a blower that makes a little north of 1100hp.......Trust me, that is NOT tough to do with any decent smallblock of ANY make.
And where is the R&D part of it. You take a decent shortblock, put some good heads on it........add boost. Easy power, been done for years. Because its a Mopar, we think it is something spectacular, when really it is run of the mill........and THAT is the reason the Mopar aftermarket is not supportive. Not enough people out there doing it
Monte
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Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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08/28/14 09:58 PM
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Quote:
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http://thitek.net/news/jesses-200mph-challenger-hot-rod-magazine/
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Built by Spankin Time Performance in San Bernardino, California, Jesse Iwuji’s Challenger uses a Darton-sleeved, 408ci Hemi stroker crank from Scat spinning a set of Carillo rods and CP pistons. The engine also has ThiTek heads and a 4.2L Kenne Bell supercharger that runs as much as 22 psi of boost on E85. The exhaust uses OVX long tube headers, Bassani mid-pipes, and Flowmaster Super 40–Series mufflers.
The 912 rwhp gets to the ground by way of an SHR transmission, a DSS driveshaft, and the stock differential and axles with 3.06 gears. With that combo, Jesse became the fifth modern Mopar to break the 200-mph barrier in the standing mile, running 200.9 mph. He’s also run 174 mph in the half-mile, which is the same speed our showroom-stock ’13 Dodge Challenger SRT ran in a mile and a half.
http://www.nmcadigital.com/2013/09/19/br...r-for-rob-goss/
i guess some R&D must be goin on
The be blunt........so what...........ain't nothing about that really impressive. A new HEMI with a blower that makes a little north of 1100hp.......Trust me, that is NOT tough to do with any decent smallblock of ANY make.
And where is the R&D part of it. You take a decent shortblock, put some good heads on it........add boost. Easy power, been done for years. Because its a Mopar, we think it is something spectacular, when really it is run of the mill........and THAT is the reason the Mopar aftermarket is not supportive. Not enough people out there doing it
Monte
Well, these guys are out there doing it... ...and not taking the easiest and cheapest path....or copying someone elses combo....
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Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block
[Re: forphorty]
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08/28/14 11:54 PM
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I got two words for you.......... Neon R/T.
Their focus on past glories was not how can we duplicate it , but how can we cash in on it.
The people at the top should be solid car guys , not advertising executives and accountants.
The corporate mentality smothers creativity , or at a minimum , stifles it.
Given the smaller market share , it would take some give and take to get close to the " big two " as far as Ma is concerned......and if there isn't a solid 30 % margin , you aren't going to be selling much to the top floors.
With the aftermarket , it doesn't have the baggage of history.
It has to pay or it is a labor of love.
Not much middle ground there.
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Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block
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08/29/14 05:12 AM
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http://thitek.net/news/jesses-200mph-challenger-hot-rod-magazine/
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Built by Spankin Time Performance in San Bernardino, California, Jesse Iwuji’s Challenger uses a Darton-sleeved, 408ci Hemi stroker crank from Scat spinning a set of Carillo rods and CP pistons. The engine also has ThiTek heads and a 4.2L Kenne Bell supercharger that runs as much as 22 psi of boost on E85. The exhaust uses OVX long tube headers, Bassani mid-pipes, and Flowmaster Super 40–Series mufflers.
The 912 rwhp gets to the ground by way of an SHR transmission, a DSS driveshaft, and the stock differential and axles with 3.06 gears. With that combo, Jesse became the fifth modern Mopar to break the 200-mph barrier in the standing mile, running 200.9 mph. He’s also run 174 mph in the half-mile, which is the same speed our showroom-stock ’13 Dodge Challenger SRT ran in a mile and a half.
http://www.nmcadigital.com/2013/09/19/br...r-for-rob-goss/
i guess some R&D must be goin on
The be blunt........so what...........ain't nothing about that really impressive. A new HEMI with a blower that makes a little north of 1100hp.......Trust me, that is NOT tough to do with any decent smallblock of ANY make.
And where is the R&D part of it. You take a decent shortblock, put some good heads on it........add boost. Easy power, been done for years. Because its a Mopar, we think it is something spectacular, when really it is run of the mill........and THAT is the reason the Mopar aftermarket is not supportive. Not enough people out there doing it
Monte
Well, these guys are out there doing it......and not taking the easiest and cheapest path....or copying someone elses combo....
Dude you are such a hater and so brand loyal, you can't see whats right in front of your eyes............You think it costs ANY less to build a blown LS motor to do the SAME thing that Hemi does........the answer is NO.............And they are NOT copying what anybody else did huh...........OK, guess nobody has EVER built a good short block from run of the mill ordinary parts, put some nice aftermarket heads on it, with a blower and made 1100 hp............ I can get a Kenne Bell supercharger kit for my Mercedes........The fact that these guys chose to do it with a Mopar.........admirable..........ground breaking......hardly.
Guys like you always cry about how CHEAP high HP Chevys are to build..........horsesh%t..........you obviously haven't priced any nice parts lately for the other guys. And don't be bringing that weak crap in here and start comparing prices for the top of the line Mopar head and the bargain basement off brand stuff. Comparable heads cost comparable money.......don't matter what block they bolt on. And a sleeve is a sleeve, a crank is a crank, a piston is a piston and so on. Just because it goes in a Mopar makes it cost no more.
Monte
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Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block
[Re: Monte_Smith]
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08/29/14 11:53 AM
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http://thitek.net/news/jesses-200mph-challenger-hot-rod-magazine/
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Built by Spankin Time Performance in San Bernardino, California, Jesse Iwuji’s Challenger uses a Darton-sleeved, 408ci Hemi stroker crank from Scat spinning a set of Carillo rods and CP pistons. The engine also has ThiTek heads and a 4.2L Kenne Bell supercharger that runs as much as 22 psi of boost on E85. The exhaust uses OVX long tube headers, Bassani mid-pipes, and Flowmaster Super 40–Series mufflers.
The 912 rwhp gets to the ground by way of an SHR transmission, a DSS driveshaft, and the stock differential and axles with 3.06 gears. With that combo, Jesse became the fifth modern Mopar to break the 200-mph barrier in the standing mile, running 200.9 mph. He’s also run 174 mph in the half-mile, which is the same speed our showroom-stock ’13 Dodge Challenger SRT ran in a mile and a half.
http://www.nmcadigital.com/2013/09/19/br...r-for-rob-goss/
i guess some R&D must be goin on
The be blunt........so what...........ain't nothing about that really impressive. A new HEMI with a blower that makes a little north of 1100hp.......Trust me, that is NOT tough to do with any decent smallblock of ANY make.
And where is the R&D part of it. You take a decent shortblock, put some good heads on it........add boost. Easy power, been done for years. Because its a Mopar, we think it is something spectacular, when really it is run of the mill........and THAT is the reason the Mopar aftermarket is not supportive. Not enough people out there doing it
Monte
What's impressive Monty is the fact for the first time in Mopar history we have a production head that surpasses the capability of the block.
Is the New hemi the end all be all? Hell no, but if they would make the design bigger for a big block version and so on. I think it would be easier to made big power and possibly cheaper to build.
Monty your in the one percentile. Your stuff is all custom and reworked from top to bottom.
IMO the New Hemi allow people to make some good steam without going to race oriented on the build. Matt
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Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block
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08/29/14 12:30 PM
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http://thitek.net/news/jesses-200mph-challenger-hot-rod-magazine/
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Built by Spankin Time Performance in San Bernardino, California, Jesse Iwuji’s Challenger uses a Darton-sleeved, 408ci Hemi stroker crank from Scat spinning a set of Carillo rods and CP pistons. The engine also has ThiTek heads and a 4.2L Kenne Bell supercharger that runs as much as 22 psi of boost on E85. The exhaust uses OVX long tube headers, Bassani mid-pipes, and Flowmaster Super 40–Series mufflers.
The 912 rwhp gets to the ground by way of an SHR transmission, a DSS driveshaft, and the stock differential and axles with 3.06 gears. With that combo, Jesse became the fifth modern Mopar to break the 200-mph barrier in the standing mile, running 200.9 mph. He’s also run 174 mph in the half-mile, which is the same speed our showroom-stock ’13 Dodge Challenger SRT ran in a mile and a half.
http://www.nmcadigital.com/2013/09/19/br...r-for-rob-goss/
i guess some R&D must be goin on
The be blunt........so what...........ain't nothing about that really impressive. A new HEMI with a blower that makes a little north of 1100hp.......Trust me, that is NOT tough to do with any decent smallblock of ANY make.
And where is the R&D part of it. You take a decent shortblock, put some good heads on it........add boost. Easy power, been done for years. Because its a Mopar, we think it is something spectacular, when really it is run of the mill........and THAT is the reason the Mopar aftermarket is not supportive. Not enough people out there doing it
Monte
Well, these guys are out there doing it......and not taking the easiest and cheapest path....or copying someone elses combo....
Dude you are such a hater and so brand loyal, you can't see whats right in front of your eyes............You think it costs ANY less to build a blown LS motor to do the SAME thing that Hemi does........the answer is NO.............And they are NOT copying what anybody else did huh...........OK, guess nobody has EVER built a good short block from run of the mill ordinary parts, put some nice aftermarket heads on it, with a blower and made 1100 hp............ I can get a Kenne Bell supercharger kit for my Mercedes........The fact that these guys chose to do it with a Mopar.........admirable..........ground breaking......hardly.
Guys like you always cry about how CHEAP high HP Chevys are to build..........horsesh%t..........you obviously haven't priced any nice parts lately for the other guys. And don't be bringing that weak crap in here and start comparing prices for the top of the line Mopar head and the bargain basement off brand stuff. Comparable heads cost comparable money.......don't matter what block they bolt on. And a sleeve is a sleeve, a crank is a crank, a piston is a piston and so on. Just because it goes in a Mopar makes it cost no more.
Monte
How is giving credit to guys for their accomplishments being a hater ?? or brand loyal ??
YOU are the one putting others down.....
I don't know how much a chevy costs to build and don't really care...
You are the one that is putting a chevy engine in your GTX...because you have to have a Proven Combo that has already been done.....and it has to be free....
You put down every mopar racer around...when you haven't raced since the 90's !!
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Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block
[Re: MattW]
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08/29/14 12:38 PM
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JMO... I think if the gen 3 style block would be converted to a BB version with a 5" bore spread it could be done BUT thus far all the heads have been build for the current bore spread so that would have to have a crank and heads built to match the block... thats a ton of money for the development.. but it could be possible with money... BUT MOST mopar guys wouldnt spend the money to buy it
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