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R&D For Both Big/Small block
Posted By: Street Monkies
R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/28/14 05:57 AM
As most folks know mopar is way behind on there products like cylinder heads, blocks, ect. They have chevy small blocks capable of 600 cubic inches with after market blocks. They have small block mopars up at around 500 Inches. R3 blocks only capable of 4.220" maxium bore. Not many good conventional head options that make much power. Also the big block side the bore space is only 4.800" for iron race blocks not an aluminum hemi where they are 5.000". For the folks that run classes that have to use stock style bore space engine blocks or conventional cylinder heads mopar just doesn't have much to offer. Either b1 or indy 600-13 heads. Chevy guys have a 4.840" bore space with the new SR 20 heads. Ford has a 4.900" bore space and have the A460 heads. The SR 20's are only a few years old. Ford also comes out with new stuff. To bad there wasn't more of a market for mopar guys. Besides my opinion it would be cool to hear others about the whole R&D for mopar. Thanks Moparts for listening to my rant..
Posted By: LA360
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/28/14 09:00 AM
Most Mopar guys aren't going to spend the $$$
No sales = No return on investment
The guys that have pushed the envelope, have done so because they were able to afford to do so and clearly liked a challenge.
Posted By: 1320Dart
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/28/14 11:00 AM
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Most Mopar guys aren't going to spend the $$$
No sales = No return on investment
The guys that have pushed the envelope, have done so because they were able to afford to do so and clearly liked a challenge.
FWIW...I think Al_Alguire should be heading up a Mopar R&D department! 
Posted By: OUTLAWD
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/28/14 12:27 PM
It was brought up before, for every 10 mopars at the track, there are 100 chevys/fords, the demand is simply not there.
are you telling me my purple cam isn't good anymore?
Posted By: Streetwize
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/28/14 02:36 PM
IMO. mopar has never really supported the performance aftermarket to anywhere near its potential...but pragmatically there's not much money to be made in the aftermarket when your proportional sales volume has historically (I'm rough guessing here) been about one 3rd of Ford and maybe one sixth of Chevy. Case in point, remember when MOPAR was trying to sue everyone for infringement? They were so late to the aftermarket demand as an act of desperation to make anything off of the Mopar heritage they tried to 'tax' the free market aftermarket trying to fill the need that Mopar willfully ignored for years.
If they were serious about it they would offer market competitive pricing on things like crate motors and not be selling (as good as they are) the same old 40+ year old flat tappet cam grinds...
The resurgence of the Musclecar market was really the only financial interest they have had in it for the past 25 years or so...and even that is small potatos in the grand scheme of things. But I suspect they'll support the new Hemi crate motor because it doesn't really cost very much at all to pluck one off the assembly line and strap it to a pallet.
But as for head and block R&D, I wouldn't hold my breath. to be honest our best hope is the new Hemi, it has proven to be about the only viable alternative to the uber popular LS since the Ford motors (as cool and sophisticated as they are) are massive and heavy and much more difficult to transplant.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/28/14 02:58 PM
Chrysler has 13-14 percent of the total market place
in sales(new car/truck sales).. not the largest by
any means... also they dont seem to be into the idea
of racing(look at what they are involved in) and it
seems they dont have the extra money to do aftermarket
stuff for racing
Posted By: 74yellowduster
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/28/14 03:27 PM
http://thitek.net/news/jesses-200mph-challenger-hot-rod-magazine/Quote:
Built by Spankin Time Performance in San Bernardino, California, Jesse Iwuji’s Challenger uses a Darton-sleeved, 408ci Hemi stroker crank from Scat spinning a set of Carillo rods and CP pistons. The engine also has ThiTek heads and a 4.2L Kenne Bell supercharger that runs as much as 22 psi of boost on E85. The exhaust uses OVX long tube headers, Bassani mid-pipes, and Flowmaster Super 40–Series mufflers.
The 912 rwhp gets to the ground by way of an SHR transmission, a DSS driveshaft, and the stock differential and axles with 3.06 gears. With that combo, Jesse became the fifth modern Mopar to break the 200-mph barrier in the standing mile, running 200.9 mph. He’s also run 174 mph in the half-mile, which is the same speed our showroom-stock ’13 Dodge Challenger SRT ran in a mile and a half.
http://www.nmcadigital.com/2013/09/19/br...r-for-rob-goss/
i guess some R&D must be goin on
Posted By: HotRodDave
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/28/14 06:31 PM
Summit lists 8 cylinder heads for a 77 360 and 471 heads for a 77 350. That is almost 59 to 1 ratio, there is not that big a difference in the number of cars out there so there has to be room for a new head or two. Oh and the 77 302 has 202 heads on summit. If they can justify the wattered down sales caused by 471 different SBC heads surely they can justify a couple more SBM heads, maybe give us 10 to pick from
Posted By: Street Monkies
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/28/14 11:31 PM
Thanks for the replies fellows. It's nice to hear the mopar community to speak out on this subject. It's difficult being a die hard mopar guy and watching Chevy or Ford come out with new products all the time and Mopar has next to nothing. I would like to hope that maybe one day something will change for the good. Like some people said the hemi could be the only hope we have.
Posted By: LaRoy Engines
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/28/14 11:50 PM
I think we should quit fussing and just build it.
Posted By: AndyF
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 12:16 AM
I introduce new products for Mopar engines all the time. Sales are fairly low though so it is hardly worth the effort. I design new parts more as a hobby than as an actual business. If I didn't have other sources of income I'd most likely starve to death making Mopar parts.
There aren't very many guys who make a living selling Mopar parts that they designed themselves. Indy is about it, maybe KB, might be a few others out there. There are some folks who make money reselling parts into the Mopar space. Hughes, Mancini, Mazzolini, etc., but not very many guys who can actually fund their own R&D and manufacturing. There just isn't enough money to go around.
Posted By: Monte_Smith
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 01:04 AM
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http://thitek.net/news/jesses-200mph-challenger-hot-rod-magazine/
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Built by Spankin Time Performance in San Bernardino, California, Jesse Iwuji’s Challenger uses a Darton-sleeved, 408ci Hemi stroker crank from Scat spinning a set of Carillo rods and CP pistons. The engine also has ThiTek heads and a 4.2L Kenne Bell supercharger that runs as much as 22 psi of boost on E85. The exhaust uses OVX long tube headers, Bassani mid-pipes, and Flowmaster Super 40–Series mufflers.
The 912 rwhp gets to the ground by way of an SHR transmission, a DSS driveshaft, and the stock differential and axles with 3.06 gears. With that combo, Jesse became the fifth modern Mopar to break the 200-mph barrier in the standing mile, running 200.9 mph. He’s also run 174 mph in the half-mile, which is the same speed our showroom-stock ’13 Dodge Challenger SRT ran in a mile and a half.
http://www.nmcadigital.com/2013/09/19/br...r-for-rob-goss/
i guess some R&D must be goin on
The be blunt........so what...........ain't nothing about that really impressive. A new HEMI with a blower that makes a little north of 1100hp.......Trust me, that is NOT tough to do with any decent smallblock of ANY make.
And where is the R&D part of it. You take a decent shortblock, put some good heads on it........add boost. Easy power, been done for years. Because its a Mopar, we think it is something spectacular, when really it is run of the mill........and THAT is the reason the Mopar aftermarket is not supportive. Not enough people out there doing it
Monte
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 01:58 AM
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http://thitek.net/news/jesses-200mph-challenger-hot-rod-magazine/
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Built by Spankin Time Performance in San Bernardino, California, Jesse Iwuji’s Challenger uses a Darton-sleeved, 408ci Hemi stroker crank from Scat spinning a set of Carillo rods and CP pistons. The engine also has ThiTek heads and a 4.2L Kenne Bell supercharger that runs as much as 22 psi of boost on E85. The exhaust uses OVX long tube headers, Bassani mid-pipes, and Flowmaster Super 40–Series mufflers.
The 912 rwhp gets to the ground by way of an SHR transmission, a DSS driveshaft, and the stock differential and axles with 3.06 gears. With that combo, Jesse became the fifth modern Mopar to break the 200-mph barrier in the standing mile, running 200.9 mph. He’s also run 174 mph in the half-mile, which is the same speed our showroom-stock ’13 Dodge Challenger SRT ran in a mile and a half.
http://www.nmcadigital.com/2013/09/19/br...r-for-rob-goss/
i guess some R&D must be goin on
The be blunt........so what...........ain't nothing about that really impressive. A new HEMI with a blower that makes a little north of 1100hp.......Trust me, that is NOT tough to do with any decent smallblock of ANY make.
And where is the R&D part of it. You take a decent shortblock, put some good heads on it........add boost. Easy power, been done for years. Because its a Mopar, we think it is something spectacular, when really it is run of the mill........and THAT is the reason the Mopar aftermarket is not supportive. Not enough people out there doing it
Monte
Well, these guys are out there doing it...
...and not taking the easiest and cheapest path....or copying someone elses combo....
Posted By: forphorty
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 02:11 AM
Here is the reason I believe that R&D for Mopars is severely lacking: From the 80s all the way up until 2008, Mopar didn't make ANY 2 door ,RWD,V8 performance cars. Compare that to the millions of 5.0 Mustangs made. These cars are cheap and plentiful, whereas if you want to put together a nice little street/strip Mopar you will probably be starting with a car from the 70s or older. If Mopar had made a 318 powered car in the 80s and 90s with similar performance to the Mustang, I believe we would have a lot more choices in the aftermarket. Instead, Mopar concentrated on trucks and FWD.
Posted By: tubtar
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 03:54 AM
I got two words for you.......... Neon R/T.
Their focus on past glories was not how can we duplicate it , but how can we cash in on it.
The people at the top should be solid car guys , not advertising executives and accountants.
The corporate mentality smothers creativity , or at a minimum , stifles it.
Given the smaller market share , it would take some give and take to get close to the " big two " as far as Ma is concerned......and if there isn't a solid 30 % margin , you aren't going to be selling much to the top floors.
With the aftermarket , it doesn't have the baggage of history.
It has to pay or it is a labor of love.
Not much middle ground there.
Posted By: Monte_Smith
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 09:12 AM
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http://thitek.net/news/jesses-200mph-challenger-hot-rod-magazine/
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Built by Spankin Time Performance in San Bernardino, California, Jesse Iwuji’s Challenger uses a Darton-sleeved, 408ci Hemi stroker crank from Scat spinning a set of Carillo rods and CP pistons. The engine also has ThiTek heads and a 4.2L Kenne Bell supercharger that runs as much as 22 psi of boost on E85. The exhaust uses OVX long tube headers, Bassani mid-pipes, and Flowmaster Super 40–Series mufflers.
The 912 rwhp gets to the ground by way of an SHR transmission, a DSS driveshaft, and the stock differential and axles with 3.06 gears. With that combo, Jesse became the fifth modern Mopar to break the 200-mph barrier in the standing mile, running 200.9 mph. He’s also run 174 mph in the half-mile, which is the same speed our showroom-stock ’13 Dodge Challenger SRT ran in a mile and a half.
http://www.nmcadigital.com/2013/09/19/br...r-for-rob-goss/
i guess some R&D must be goin on
The be blunt........so what...........ain't nothing about that really impressive. A new HEMI with a blower that makes a little north of 1100hp.......Trust me, that is NOT tough to do with any decent smallblock of ANY make.
And where is the R&D part of it. You take a decent shortblock, put some good heads on it........add boost. Easy power, been done for years. Because its a Mopar, we think it is something spectacular, when really it is run of the mill........and THAT is the reason the Mopar aftermarket is not supportive. Not enough people out there doing it
Monte
Well, these guys are out there doing it......and not taking the easiest and cheapest path....or copying someone elses combo....
Dude you are such a hater and so brand loyal, you can't see whats right in front of your eyes............You think it costs ANY less to build a blown LS motor to do the SAME thing that Hemi does........the answer is NO.............And they are NOT copying what anybody else did huh...........OK, guess nobody has EVER built a good short block from run of the mill ordinary parts, put some nice aftermarket heads on it, with a blower and made 1100 hp............ I can get a Kenne Bell supercharger kit for my Mercedes........The fact that these guys chose to do it with a Mopar.........admirable..........ground breaking......hardly.
Guys like you always cry about how CHEAP high HP Chevys are to build..........horsesh%t..........you obviously haven't priced any nice parts lately for the other guys. And don't be bringing that weak crap in here and start comparing prices for the top of the line Mopar head and the bargain basement off brand stuff. Comparable heads cost comparable money.......don't matter what block they bolt on. And a sleeve is a sleeve, a crank is a crank, a piston is a piston and so on. Just because it goes in a Mopar makes it cost no more.
Monte
Posted By: Chris'sBarracuda
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 02:13 PM
I think this Guy's in Love with you Monte..
Kind of a "Post Stalker"
Chris..
Posted By: MattW
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 03:53 PM
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http://thitek.net/news/jesses-200mph-challenger-hot-rod-magazine/
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Built by Spankin Time Performance in San Bernardino, California, Jesse Iwuji’s Challenger uses a Darton-sleeved, 408ci Hemi stroker crank from Scat spinning a set of Carillo rods and CP pistons. The engine also has ThiTek heads and a 4.2L Kenne Bell supercharger that runs as much as 22 psi of boost on E85. The exhaust uses OVX long tube headers, Bassani mid-pipes, and Flowmaster Super 40–Series mufflers.
The 912 rwhp gets to the ground by way of an SHR transmission, a DSS driveshaft, and the stock differential and axles with 3.06 gears. With that combo, Jesse became the fifth modern Mopar to break the 200-mph barrier in the standing mile, running 200.9 mph. He’s also run 174 mph in the half-mile, which is the same speed our showroom-stock ’13 Dodge Challenger SRT ran in a mile and a half.
http://www.nmcadigital.com/2013/09/19/br...r-for-rob-goss/
i guess some R&D must be goin on
The be blunt........so what...........ain't nothing about that really impressive. A new HEMI with a blower that makes a little north of 1100hp.......Trust me, that is NOT tough to do with any decent smallblock of ANY make.
And where is the R&D part of it. You take a decent shortblock, put some good heads on it........add boost. Easy power, been done for years. Because its a Mopar, we think it is something spectacular, when really it is run of the mill........and THAT is the reason the Mopar aftermarket is not supportive. Not enough people out there doing it
Monte
What's impressive Monty is the fact for the first time in Mopar history we have a production head that surpasses the capability of the block.
Is the New hemi the end all be all? Hell no, but if they would make the design bigger for a big block version and so on. I think it would be easier to made big power and possibly cheaper to build.
Monty your in the one percentile. Your stuff is all custom and reworked from top to bottom.
IMO the New Hemi allow people to make some good steam without going to race oriented on the build. Matt
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 04:30 PM
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http://thitek.net/news/jesses-200mph-challenger-hot-rod-magazine/
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Built by Spankin Time Performance in San Bernardino, California, Jesse Iwuji’s Challenger uses a Darton-sleeved, 408ci Hemi stroker crank from Scat spinning a set of Carillo rods and CP pistons. The engine also has ThiTek heads and a 4.2L Kenne Bell supercharger that runs as much as 22 psi of boost on E85. The exhaust uses OVX long tube headers, Bassani mid-pipes, and Flowmaster Super 40–Series mufflers.
The 912 rwhp gets to the ground by way of an SHR transmission, a DSS driveshaft, and the stock differential and axles with 3.06 gears. With that combo, Jesse became the fifth modern Mopar to break the 200-mph barrier in the standing mile, running 200.9 mph. He’s also run 174 mph in the half-mile, which is the same speed our showroom-stock ’13 Dodge Challenger SRT ran in a mile and a half.
http://www.nmcadigital.com/2013/09/19/br...r-for-rob-goss/
i guess some R&D must be goin on
The be blunt........so what...........ain't nothing about that really impressive. A new HEMI with a blower that makes a little north of 1100hp.......Trust me, that is NOT tough to do with any decent smallblock of ANY make.
And where is the R&D part of it. You take a decent shortblock, put some good heads on it........add boost. Easy power, been done for years. Because its a Mopar, we think it is something spectacular, when really it is run of the mill........and THAT is the reason the Mopar aftermarket is not supportive. Not enough people out there doing it
Monte
Well, these guys are out there doing it......and not taking the easiest and cheapest path....or copying someone elses combo....
Dude you are such a hater and so brand loyal, you can't see whats right in front of your eyes............You think it costs ANY less to build a blown LS motor to do the SAME thing that Hemi does........the answer is NO.............And they are NOT copying what anybody else did huh...........OK, guess nobody has EVER built a good short block from run of the mill ordinary parts, put some nice aftermarket heads on it, with a blower and made 1100 hp............ I can get a Kenne Bell supercharger kit for my Mercedes........The fact that these guys chose to do it with a Mopar.........admirable..........ground breaking......hardly.
Guys like you always cry about how CHEAP high HP Chevys are to build..........horsesh%t..........you obviously haven't priced any nice parts lately for the other guys. And don't be bringing that weak crap in here and start comparing prices for the top of the line Mopar head and the bargain basement off brand stuff. Comparable heads cost comparable money.......don't matter what block they bolt on. And a sleeve is a sleeve, a crank is a crank, a piston is a piston and so on. Just because it goes in a Mopar makes it cost no more.
Monte
How is giving credit to guys for their accomplishments being a hater ?? or brand loyal ??
YOU are the one putting others down.....
I don't know how much a chevy costs to build and don't really care...
You are the one that is putting a chevy engine in your GTX...because you have to have a Proven Combo that has already been done.....and it has to be free....
You put down every mopar racer around...when you haven't raced since the 90's !!
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 04:38 PM
JMO... I think if the gen 3 style block would be converted
to a BB version with a 5" bore spread it could be done
BUT thus far all the heads have been build for the
current bore spread so that would have to have a crank
and heads built to match the block... thats a ton of
money for the development.. but it could be possible
with money... BUT MOST mopar guys wouldnt spend the
money to buy it
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 04:41 PM
How is giving credit to guys for their accomplishments being a hater ?? or brand loyal ??
YOU are the one putting others down.....
I don't know how much a chevy costs to build and don't really care...
You are the one that is putting a chevy engine in your GTX...because you have to have a Proven Combo that has already been done.....and it has to be free....
You put down every mopar racer around...when you haven't raced since the 90's !!
WHEN was the last time you raced your PRODUCTION car..
your not even into racing
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 04:47 PM
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How is giving credit to guys for their accomplishments being a hater ?? or brand loyal ??
YOU are the one putting others down.....
I don't know how much a chevy costs to build and don't really care...
You are the one that is putting a chevy engine in your GTX...because you have to have a Proven Combo that has already been done.....and it has to be free....
You put down every mopar racer around...when you haven't raced since the 90's !!
WHEN was the last time you raced your PRODUCTION car..
your not even into racing
Probably the last time you did........and I am not putting anybody down that is out there racing...
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 04:52 PM
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How is giving credit to guys for their accomplishments being a hater ?? or brand loyal ??
YOU are the one putting others down.....
I don't know how much a chevy costs to build and don't really care...
You are the one that is putting a chevy engine in your GTX...because you have to have a Proven Combo that has already been done.....and it has to be free....
You put down every mopar racer around...when you haven't raced since the 90's !!
WHEN was the last time you raced your PRODUCTION car..
your not even into racing
Probably the last time you did........and I am not putting anybody down that is out there racing...
I was out last Sunday... racing.. no it wasnt my car
but running a buddies to help him out.. how about you..
you just love coming into the race section to stir
up CRAP
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 05:03 PM
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I was out last Sunday... racing.. no it wasnt my car
but running a buddies to help him out.. how about you..
you just love coming into the race section to stir
up CRAP
Maybe you should re-read things above....this should be addressed to Monte....
Posted By: 74yellowduster
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 05:06 PM
bottom line is that mopar is supporting us developing... the hellcat is badass parts/upgrades for gen3 are coming out all over the place.
i see it as a part of racing for a long time to come.
nevertheless, i LOVE 340's 383's 400's 440's and of course 426 Hemi's forever baby.
but facts of life are facts of life right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5IVuN1N6-Ycrank it up!
Quote:
Don't be angry - don't be sad
Don't sit crying over good times you've had
There's a girl right next to you
And she's just waiting for something to do
Well there's a rose in a fisted glove
And the eagle flies with the dove
And if you can't be with the one you love honey
Love the one you're with
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 05:09 PM
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I was out last Sunday... racing.. no it wasnt my car
but running a buddies to help him out.. how about you..
you just love coming into the race section to stir
up CRAP
Maybe you should re-read things above....this should be addressed to Monte....
Why address it to him... Mopar doesnt offer what he
needs so he went elsewhere.. being that you dont race
you wouldnt understand that... you do what has to
be done to get the job done
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 06:22 PM
Maybe by then you will have rebuilt your engine for the 4th time and finally gotten it right, your tranny for the 3rd time and finally gotten it right, cut apart your suspension and finally gotten it right....and maybe even make a pass at the track by 2015...or 16....
And maybe, just maybe, I'll have my car ready to make a pass in 2015...maybe...but I am sure it will be an unimpressive slug...
Your right... I did have some set backs with my ride
that I BUILT ... but YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW ABOUT BUILDING
anything since all you run is your little street
STOCK car... maybe JUST MAYBE you might have changed
a carb on and thats ALL.... so when YOU BUILD anything
that turns out PERFECT you make sure you get on here
and tell us ALL.. oh.. I forget... you dont build
ANYTHING
Posted By: Anonymous
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 06:35 PM
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Maybe by then you will have rebuilt your engine for the 4th time and finally gotten it right, your tranny for the 3rd time and finally gotten it right, cut apart your suspension and finally gotten it right....and maybe even make a pass at the track by 2015...or 16....
And maybe, just maybe, I'll have my car ready to make a pass in 2015...maybe...but I am sure it will be an unimpressive slug...
Your right... I did have some set backs with my ride
that I BUILT ... but YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW ABOUT BUILDING
anything since all you run is your little street
STOCK car... maybe JUST MAYBE you might have changed
a carb on and thats ALL.... so when YOU BUILD anything
that turns out PERFECT you make sure you get on here
and tell us ALL.. oh.. I forget... you dont build
ANYTHING
You been stalking me ? How would you know anything ?
As I said, my Car will be an unimpressive slug when i get it out....
Or was this meant for Monte after he writes the check at the chassis shop ? and picks up the free engine from his buddy ?
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 06:41 PM
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Maybe by then you will have rebuilt your engine for the 4th time and finally gotten it right, your tranny for the 3rd time and finally gotten it right, cut apart your suspension and finally gotten it right....and maybe even make a pass at the track by 2015...or 16....
And maybe, just maybe, I'll have my car ready to make a pass in 2015...maybe...but I am sure it will be an unimpressive slug...
Your right... I did have some set backs with my ride
that I BUILT ... but YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW ABOUT BUILDING
anything since all you run is your little street
STOCK car... maybe JUST MAYBE you might have changed
a carb on and thats ALL.... so when YOU BUILD anything
that turns out PERFECT you make sure you get on here
and tell us ALL.. oh.. I forget... you dont build
ANYTHING
You been stalking me ? How would you know anything ?
As I said, my Car will be an unimpressive slug when i get it out....
Or was this meant for Monte after he writes the check at the chassis shop ? and picks up the free engine from his buddy ?
Stalking you... LOL... your not worth mine time.. but
you sure can tell me about the set backs I've had on
my ride... so as of now I'll just put you on the IGNORE list
which is all your worth...... BY BY
Posted By: clonestocker
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 06:44 PM
I hope you guys know each other.
If not.
Its a Holiday Weekend and we should all in a Good Mood
matt
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 06:48 PM
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I hope you guys know each other. If not. Its a Holiday Weekend and we should all in a Good Mood matt
Nope sure dont know him or even care to.. as of now
I wont see a damn thing he posts... which is pretty
useless anyways.. but to everyone else... have a great
weekend
Posted By: clonestocker
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 07:35 PM
Hoping to look some of you guys up next year @ Woodward. I think we'll be staying in Milford.
Posted By: MR_P_BODY
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/29/14 07:40 PM
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Hoping to look some of you guys up next year @ Woodward. I think we'll be staying in Milford.
I'm sure I'll be around.. we usually head up to the
Donut Cutter on Wednesday for a get together(during
the week before the Woodward Cruise)... I didnt go up
there this year.. I was hunting in Canada
Posted By: Monte_Smith
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/30/14 05:53 AM
The guy is a clueless and doesn't know the first thing about me. For your information 6pak runner, I, as in ME, MYSELF, built the entire chassis in my GTX the first time AND this time. Yes, I am taking it to a chassis shop now to have some things done and finished up that I simply don't have time, nor do I now have the equipment to do myself. I used to have a chassis shop, but I no longer do that type work and sold all the equipment. So I let someone else do it.
As far as me racing............no, I haven't raced my OWN car since 2000, but I probably make more runs down a track in a season than you have in your lifetime. I spec and build all my own motors and used to work in a race engine shop, so if I had the equipment myself, could do all my own machine work. What exactly can you do yourself, other than type on a key board and give me crap. It is only in your own twisted mind that I have run anybody down or made light of anybody's accomplishments.............My only beef with you, or anybody for that matter, is when everyone gets all up in arms about somebody doing something in a Mopar and considers it extraordinary, when for other brands it is run of the mill. We as Mopar people should NOT be satisfied with just having the fastest (insert whatever) Mopar. We should strive to be able to compete on ANY level with other brands, not just among ourselves. As I said before, having the fastest Mopar whatever is not appealing, if the BEST that can be gets your azz handed to you on a regular basis by the Ford and Chevy guys. But as long as guys like YOU are happy with the status quo, the rest of us who WANT more will be out of luck, because there are not enough of us to push anybody to develop anything better...........and for some reason you just can't see or accept that.
Monte
Posted By: Monte_Smith
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/30/14 06:09 AM
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http://thitek.net/news/jesses-200mph-challenger-hot-rod-magazine/
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Built by Spankin Time Performance in San Bernardino, California, Jesse Iwuji’s Challenger uses a Darton-sleeved, 408ci Hemi stroker crank from Scat spinning a set of Carillo rods and CP pistons. The engine also has ThiTek heads and a 4.2L Kenne Bell supercharger that runs as much as 22 psi of boost on E85. The exhaust uses OVX long tube headers, Bassani mid-pipes, and Flowmaster Super 40–Series mufflers.
The 912 rwhp gets to the ground by way of an SHR transmission, a DSS driveshaft, and the stock differential and axles with 3.06 gears. With that combo, Jesse became the fifth modern Mopar to break the 200-mph barrier in the standing mile, running 200.9 mph. He’s also run 174 mph in the half-mile, which is the same speed our showroom-stock ’13 Dodge Challenger SRT ran in a mile and a half.
http://www.nmcadigital.com/2013/09/19/br...r-for-rob-goss/
i guess some R&D must be goin on
The be blunt........so what...........ain't nothing about that really impressive. A new HEMI with a blower that makes a little north of 1100hp.......Trust me, that is NOT tough to do with any decent smallblock of ANY make.
And where is the R&D part of it. You take a decent shortblock, put some good heads on it........add boost. Easy power, been done for years. Because its a Mopar, we think it is something spectacular, when really it is run of the mill........and THAT is the reason the Mopar aftermarket is not supportive. Not enough people out there doing it
Monte
What's impressive Monty is the fact for the first time in Mopar history we have a production head that surpasses the capability of the block.
Is the New hemi the end all be all? Hell no, but if they would make the design bigger for a big block version and so on. I think it would be easier to made big power and possibly cheaper to build.
Monty your in the one percentile. Your stuff is all custom and reworked from top to bottom.
IMO the New Hemi allow people to make some good steam without going to race oriented on the build. Matt
You are right, the new HEMI is impressive and as impressive as it is, once again you are limited on blocks. So you can only build what is capable in the confines of a stock block. Does Ford have that issue........NO..........does Chevy have that issue........NO. All I and others are saying, is why as a group do we have to just settle for what we can GET and be happy with it. I want MORE and if you don't complain, or let the powers that be know how you feel, what do you think they are going to do.........NOTHING is the answer.
Big block version of the new HEMI.............a 5.0 version of the new HEMI..........yeah, I won't be holding my breath for that one.
And Mr Runner is all wound up about the fact that I am putting a proven combo in my car that I know will go fast. He thinks it is because it is FREE...........and that doesn't have a damn thing to do with it. Has to do with what I know the competition has and the fact that I know without a doubt, that the parts do not exist in this world for me to make the same power, inch for inch, with a Mopar wedge as the other guys can. Like thats MY fault. Hell, I WANT the parts to do it with a MOPAR and would buy them, they just don't exist. He can't see the forest for the trees. Sheer will, determination, grit and loyalty are all great things..........but those qualities don't matter if you don't have anything to apply them to. I am NOT an engineer. I CAN'T design the parts, but that doesn't keep me from wanting some and expressing my disappointment in the fact they aren't out there.
If I was not really a MOPAR guy, I wouldn't CARE that I can't get what I want
Monte
Posted By: LA360
Re: R&D For Both Big/Small block - 08/31/14 01:00 PM
High end parts are expensive no matter what brand of engine you run. As Monte said, a crank from Bryant is going to cost the same no matter what it's going in, etc etc. Shelf stuff is a different story, but records aren't set with running off the shelf parts. When you actually start spending the $$$ yourself on this level of engine, you'll understand where Monte and others are coming from.
I would also like to second what AndyF said, I do a similar thing on a much smaller scale. I know that I would never feed my wife and kids on making and selling Mopar parts. I make it as a hobby to please myself, and any parts I sell are usually to fund parts for the next project or my own race car. I am planning on doing some billet intake manifolds and billet heads in the next twelve months. If I can bank roll it, I will do a billet block while I am at it. I am fortunate enough to work in a fairly well equipped workshop from 9-5, for a boss who gives me time to entertain myself after hours.
