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Re: opinion on 340 R3/w8 (358ci)
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08/29/14 01:20 PM
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thanks for the info guys, I'm thinking it just wont be practical to try to fit it in the Scamp between headers and dry sump !
IF you are getting the engine at a decent price I sure
would use it.. I'd rework the K member to allow it to
fit(or get rid of the K member and go struts).. I've
been running a dry sump on my bracket car for years
with zero issues and that engine has the good parts
so you wont need to do much at all... thats a low
RPM engine for what it is
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Re: opinion on 340 R3/w8 (358ci)
[Re: 340KID]
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08/29/14 07:16 PM
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thanks for the info guys, I'm thinking it just wont be practical to try to fit it in the Scamp between headers and dry sump !
Just spoke to a friend of mine with a 65 Valiant today.
Stock stroke, sixty over 340. Running Air Wolf heads, with 273 rockers (stock no offset), .560 lift solid lifter cam (not a roller), Edelbrock manifold with a 750 Holley carb, 4.10 gear 8 3/4 rear with 26x8 slicks. Ran new best of 10.50@122 mph.
Nothing really exotic...
Figures it will go 10.30 in the "good air" coming up in the fall.
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Re: opinion on 340 R3/w8 (358ci)
[Re: actionange]
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08/29/14 07:34 PM
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thanks for the info guys, I'm thinking it just wont be practical to try to fit it in the Scamp between headers and dry sump !
Just spoke to a friend of mine with a 65 Valiant today.
Stock stroke, sixty over 340. Running Air Wolf heads, with 273 rockers (stock no offset), .560 lift solid lifter cam (not a roller), Edelbrock manifold with a 750 Holley carb, 4.10 gear 8 3/4 rear with 26x8 slicks. Ran new best of [Email]10.50@122[/Email] mph.
Nothing really exotic...
Figures it will go 10.30 in the "good air" coming up in the fall.
What's the car weigh?
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight
418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
1.41 best 60 foot
6.60 at 103.90 1/8
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Re: opinion on 340 R3/w8 (358ci)
[Re: mafo]
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08/29/14 09:50 PM
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I did not know that practical had anything to do with race cars 
You cannot discount the value of conquering a good challenge. 
If the price is right , I'd find a way to make it work.
Heck , if the price is right , it would be worth buying just to have for future reference.
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Re: opinion on 340 R3/w8 (358ci)
[Re: 340KID]
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08/30/14 10:42 AM
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Yes , I just found out it does not have ears, it's a great motor but just not what I want to get involved with, I'm thinking about a 360 stroked to 426 with the Hughes kit based on 360 platform, parts are readily available and I'm more comfortable wrenching on. Plus the availability of headers etc..
Now I like the way you're thinking!
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Re: opinion on 340 R3/w8 (358ci)
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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08/30/14 10:51 AM
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thanks for the info guys, I'm thinking it just wont be practical to try to fit it in the Scamp between headers and dry sump !
Just spoke to a friend of mine with a 65 Valiant today.
Stock stroke, sixty over 340. Running Air Wolf heads, with 273 rockers (stock no offset), .560 lift solid lifter cam (not a roller), Edelbrock manifold with a 750 Holley carb, 4.10 gear 8 3/4 rear with 26x8 slicks. Ran new best of [Email]10.50@122[/Email] mph.
Nothing really exotic...
Figures it will go 10.30 in the "good air" coming up in the fall.
Race ready weight with driver is 2850. Car was originally a J/SA now turned bracket racer, so it is not a gutted aluminum interior, etc piece.
These numbers were recorded at Atco in NJ.
What's the car weigh?
What track?
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Re: opinion on 340 R3/w8 (358ci)
[Re: SpareParts]
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08/30/14 04:10 PM
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What's the price of this motor?
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Re: opinion on 340 R3/w8 (358ci)
[Re: J_BODY]
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08/30/14 06:06 PM
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What's the price of this motor?
You can get one for around 7-8k
Really not that bad
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Re: opinion on 340 R3/w8 (358ci)
[Re: J_BODY]
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08/30/14 07:33 PM
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....not mine!!
1/2 way through my build I met up with a guy 45 miles south of me that ran a Dakota in dry lake bed races that switched to 4BT Cummins.... prior to that it was W8 small blocks. He had one used one for $3500 (complete, just add carb) and a freshened one off the dyno for $7500, once again, complete, just add carb. Both were dry sump. I understand the "used" engine sold, but the one he had freshened is still there.
Really a bargain when you get right down to it.
My wet sump W-9 headed deal has set me back a good bit more than 8k.
The incidentals really run up on these though......hooking up cooling , headers .......O.K. , I could have gotten by with a conventional distributor and timing chain and saved a couple G's. Maybe.
But they really deserve the show and tell factor of a belt driven cam and front mount distributor.
I'll never squeeze mine tight enough for these pieces to pay off , but they sure look pretty !
Even getting one for seven grand , you can expect to throw another couple grand at it to get it in and working I bet.
And that is with getting your hands dirty.
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Re: opinion on 340 R3/w8 (358ci)
[Re: 340KID]
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08/31/14 02:10 AM
08/31/14 02:10 AM
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This motor is $13k with no carb !!
Thats about what I had in my W-9... hell I had $3500
in the dry sump with all the hoses and fittings..
plus I had a billet crank in it with CP pistons and
the 50mm cam.. and I built the headers
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Re: opinion on 340 R3/w8 (358ci)
[Re: J_BODY]
#1664476
08/31/14 07:06 AM
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....not mine!!
1/2 way through my build I met up with a guy 45 miles south of me that ran a Dakota in dry lake bed races that switched to 4BT Cummins.... prior to that it was W8 small blocks. He had one used one for $3500 (complete, just add carb) and a freshened one off the dyno for $7500, once again, complete, just add carb. Both were dry sump. I understand the "used" engine sold, but the one he had freshened is still there.
Yours is a pretty big motor and I know you have $$ in the heads (I have W9's done by the same fella) but you made something like 760 IIRC at 436" (?) that's nothing to laugh at by any means but a lot of these small cube high rpm W8 motors make around 2hp/ CI in my opinion that is quite an impressive task. 364" 9:1 made 733. I do however wonder what the dry sump is worth on the time slip.
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