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Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: 65 Hemi] #1648577 07/21/14 10:11 PM 07/21/14 10:11 PM
Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 252 St.Louis, Mo. M mokid enthusiast
mokid enthusiast M Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 252 St.Louis, Mo.	Noy to Hijack this thread but whats your thoughts on a W8 R3 Turbo/Pro Charger build

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: mokid] #1648578 07/30/14 01:07 PM 07/30/14 01:07 PM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 655 Huntsville, AL A Airwoofer mopar
Airwoofer mopar A Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 655 Huntsville, AL	I have the KOS 499 out now and am gonna change it from nitrous to something else and a blower is one option. The motor has very serious heads and ran like poop N/A with those huge ports. So a F2 is better than a F1R for keeping the fuel req't lower? Who has pics of one of these installed geared on a BB in an A body?

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: Airwoofer] #1648579 07/30/14 02:31 PM 07/30/14 02:31 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast B BobR master
BobR master B Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast	I'm partial to P/charger. 8224411-7290089-NandR6-26-1210_5-720.jpg (169 downloads)

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1648580 07/30/14 02:54 PM 07/30/14 02:54 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas TheOtherDodge master
TheOtherDodge master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas	Quote: I build a lot of 3600lb 8 second blow thru street cars. Pump gas on the street c-16 at the track. You can't go wrong with a blow thru f-2. Don't put to much stroke in it, its not a turbo. Just curious, why run c-16 at the track? I was informed that there are plenty that run 1,200 hp turbo/supercharged apps with 10.5:1 compression on pump gas only.

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #1648581 07/30/14 05:09 PM 07/30/14 05:09 PM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Here is the best way to do what you asked

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: TheOtherDodge] #1648582 07/30/14 05:25 PM 07/30/14 05:25 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	Quote: Quote: I build a lot of 3600lb 8 second blow thru street cars. Pump gas on the street c-16 at the track. You can't go wrong with a blow thru f-2. Don't put to much stroke in it, its not a turbo. Just curious, why run c-16 at the track? I was informed that there are plenty that run 1,200 hp turbo/supercharged apps with 10.5:1 compression on pump gas only. non intercooled. If you want to add the weight and the plumbing for a A/A or A/W intercooler then yes. BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1648583 07/30/14 07:39 PM 07/30/14 07:39 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas TheOtherDodge master
TheOtherDodge master Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 4,953 Houston, Texas	Quote: Quote: Quote: I build a lot of 3600lb 8 second blow thru street cars. Pump gas on the street c-16 at the track. You can't go wrong with a blow thru f-2. Don't put to much stroke in it, its not a turbo. Just curious, why run c-16 at the track? I was informed that there are plenty that run 1,200 hp turbo/supercharged apps with 10.5:1 compression on pump gas only. non intercooled. If you want to add the weight and the plumbing for a A/A or A/W intercooler then yes. Awesome! I didn't realize you could make that much power at that compression ratio with just an intercooler on pump gas with no meth, etc.

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: 65 Hemi] #1648584 07/30/14 08:17 PM 07/30/14 08:17 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA	Quote: Thank you for your input and help. I have been leaning towards my 583 B1MC motor and changing pistons and cam and adding a F2 gear drive or side slinger with no inter cooler. I agree on your choice on the Pro charger, which fuel do you wan to use on the street? If E85 is doable then forget the intercooler, if gasoline I would run a water to air intercoller and use ice in it as needed As far as street motor on gasoline I have built several hemi with roots type superchargers, 10:71 with both EFI and dual dominator carbs, 1300 HP was reach with a lot of work out of a 499 C.I. motor on race gas with Motech EFI The larger B1-MC motor with the right compression ratio should make as much or real close to the same HP per C.I. as the Hemiroids did, intercooling can help a bunch when it comes to using and compressing air for your motor IHTHs Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: BobR] #1648585 07/30/14 08:36 PM 07/30/14 08:36 PM
Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,128 Salt Lake City C camastomcat top fuel
camastomcat top fuel C Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,128 Salt Lake City	Quote: I'm partial to P/charger. Man that thing is sweet......and really fast.

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: Cab_Burge] #1648586 07/30/14 10:41 PM 07/30/14 10:41 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA 6 65 Hemi OP super stock
65 Hemi OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA	Quote: Quote: Thank you for your input and help. I have been leaning towards my 583 B1MC motor and changing pistons and cam and adding a F2 gear drive or side slinger with no inter cooler. I agree on your choice on the Pro charger, which fuel do you wan to use on the street? If E85 is doable then forget the intercooler, if gasoline I would run a water to air intercoller and use ice in it as needed As far as street motor on gasoline I have built several hemi with roots type superchargers, 10:71 with both EFI and dual dominator carbs, 1300 HP was reach with a lot of work out of a 499 C.I. motor on race gas with Motech EFI The larger B1-MC motor with the right compression ratio should make as much or real close to the same HP per C.I. as the Hemiroids did, intercooling can help a bunch when it comes to using and compressing air for your motor IHTHs Thank you for your input Cab and Big Times. I respect what you have done and believe that both of your knowledge has great value. I will be posting more questions and updates as I go. The build will include E 85 since it is local get buy. Doug MOPAR or NO CAR!!! 1965 Dodge Coronet soon a 6.1 Hemi with a Magnson blower 810 hp on pump gas 1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads, 1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E 1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor Old cars are never done. They are ongoing projects!

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: 65 Hemi] #1648587 07/31/14 11:50 AM 07/31/14 11:50 AM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 655 Huntsville, AL A Airwoofer mopar
Airwoofer mopar A Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 655 Huntsville, AL	Let's take this procharger discussion to the next level - gear drive or cog belt? The guys at Supercharger Store are pretty negative about the cog belt and are pumping the gear drive now. Problem is the little A body doesn't have much room behind the bumper/valance. They are also saying that with a F1R 1300 HP on pump swill is doable and more so with a F2. 12 points of boost and windshield washer injection. Any real world experience out there in Moparland? What about a RB vs B based block with a 4.5 bore either way?

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: Airwoofer] #1648588 07/31/14 12:06 PM 07/31/14 12:06 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	I have both combos, I ran a f-2 cog side slinger for the last 5 years making 24lbs no issues. now I have the gear driven chris alston drive. BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1648589 07/31/14 12:47 PM 07/31/14 12:47 PM
Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 655 Huntsville, AL A Airwoofer mopar
Airwoofer mopar A Joined: Feb 2014 Posts: 655 Huntsville, AL	Quote: I have both combos, I ran a f-2 cog side slinger for the last 5 years making 24lbs no issues. now I have the gear driven chris alston drive. How bad was it at throwing belts, if at all? I will be streeting this as well as trackin. Looks like it is a much cleaner install with the belt and an air cleaner is also easire to put on. This ain't gonna be no X275 car with a round hole in the front.

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: Airwoofer] #1648590 07/31/14 12:55 PM 07/31/14 12:55 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	I never threw a belt. it is driven on the street still. rad is in the back and the lic plate on the front is dual locked BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1648591 07/31/14 04:27 PM 07/31/14 04:27 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast B BobR master
BobR master B Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast	We run the gear drive from the Supercharger Store and it is rock solid. Never had a problem and we run more than 50 pounds boost spinning really fast.

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: camastomcat] #1648592 07/31/14 04:31 PM 07/31/14 04:31 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast B BobR master
BobR master B Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast	Quote: Quote: I'm partial to P/charger. Man that thing is sweet......and really fast. Doug built the car in his garage. Crazy knowledge and skills.

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: BobR] #1648593 07/31/14 05:00 PM 07/31/14 05:00 PM
Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA bigtimeauto Trophy Winner
bigtimeauto Trophy Winner Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 2,646 Plymouth Meeting, PA	the problems with the supercharger store gear drives is not the quality or reliability its the fact that you need special gears for them and they do not make all of the accessory drives. BB, TT5,Procharged 3300lb Street Car 4.79/154

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1648594 07/31/14 06:06 PM 07/31/14 06:06 PM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast B BobR master
BobR master B Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 8,165 Left Coast	Quote: the problems with the supercharger store gear drives is not the quality or reliability its the fact that you need special gears for them and they do not make all of the accessory drives. Chris Alston also makes a nice unit that is actually very similar to the SS unit. Don't know how his parts support is. So far we have been able to get everything we needed.

Re: How to make 1200-1300 streetable HP? [Re: bigtimeauto] #1648595 07/31/14 10:10 PM 07/31/14 10:10 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA 6 65 Hemi OP super stock
65 Hemi OP super stock 6 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 984 San Diego CA	Quote: I have both combos, I ran a f-2 cog side slinger for the last 5 years making 24lbs no issues. now I have the gear driven chris alston drive. Hi Bob, since your car is for sale any chance you want to sell your side slinger set up? If so please pm a price and what it includes. I want to try a couple of Josh's races but know I can't get it done NA. My Dart is perfectly set up with a stock fire wall and bolt on strut/k member. Doug MOPAR or NO CAR!!! 1965 Dodge Coronet soon a 6.1 Hemi with a Magnson blower 810 hp on pump gas 1964 Dodge Polara 582" Indy alum Block 426-1RA heads, 1933 Plymouth PE all Steel, LT1 4L60E 1959 Plymouth Savoy 33,000 mile survivor Old cars are never done. They are ongoing projects!

Twin Turbo [Re: 65 Hemi] #1648596 07/31/14 11:15 PM 07/31/14 11:15 PM
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Bishop super stock B Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 915 Cincinnati OH	Not mine http://detroit.craigslist.org/wyn/pts/4557516567.html

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