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Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! #1642810 07/06/14 12:53 PM 07/06/14 12:53 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,388 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula OP I Live Here
Dragula OP I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,388 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Billet heads: http://www.highhorseperformance.com/HHP_Billet_Victory_Cylinder_Head_p/victory1.htm [image]http://www.highhorseperformance.com/HHP_Billet_Victory_Cylinder_Head_p/victory1.htm[/image] '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: Dragula] #1642811 07/06/14 01:42 PM 07/06/14 01:42 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada M MattW master
MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	WoW and the price is WOW. lol Now if we can only get a block that will take a big enough bore for those heads Matt Is that per head or for two?

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: MattW] #1642812 07/06/14 01:50 PM 07/06/14 01:50 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,104 Wheels up, MO N nhramark master
nhramark master N Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,104 Wheels up, MO	Well it says cylinder "head" bare, so I'm guessing that's per each. I like where it says it's Jesel rocker ready, better have some serious coin to go this route..... [image]http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/nhramark1/library/Racing[/image] 9.100 @ 150 mph 5.780 @ 120 mph

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: MattW] #1642813 07/06/14 01:51 PM 07/06/14 01:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,871 Smyrna, South Carolina STEFF master
STEFF master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,871 Smyrna, South Carolina	Very Cool!! Would love to see someone build a "No Expense Spared" Max Effort deal with them. Billet heads of any kind are expensive. And so are the caliber of engines they go on. Not for the "budget" minded.

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: nhramark] #1642814 07/06/14 02:04 PM 07/06/14 02:04 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida rickstershemi master
rickstershemi master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida	Quote: Well it says cylinder "head" bare, so I'm guessing that's per each. I like where it says it's Jesel rocker ready, better have some serious coin to go this route..... Yep.... �Item listing includes quantity one (1) Billet Cylinder Head Rickster

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: rickstershemi] #1642815 07/06/14 02:22 PM 07/06/14 02:22 PM
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1Fast340 master 1 Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 2,578 sweden	Quote: Quote: Well it says cylinder "head" bare, so I'm guessing that's per each. I like where it says it's Jesel rocker ready, better have some serious coin to go this route..... Yep.... �Item listing includes quantity one (1) Billet Cylinder Head Rickster hey now dont get all upsett just tell the wife they where on sale and everything should be ok,see you actualy save money by getting them! List Price: $4,699.95 Our Price: $4,399.95 Sale Price: $3,999.95 You save $700.00! get the Jesel rockers aswell and you will save even more: List Price: $4,500.00 Our Price: $4,500.00 Sale Price: $4,350.00 You save $150.00!

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: 1Fast340] #1642816 07/06/14 02:42 PM 07/06/14 02:42 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida rickstershemi master
rickstershemi master Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 9,366 Lehigh Acres, Florida	Quote: Quote: Quote: Well it says cylinder "head" bare, so I'm guessing that's per each. I like where it says it's Jesel rocker ready, better have some serious coin to go this route..... Yep.... �Item listing includes quantity one (1) Billet Cylinder Head Rickster hey now dont get all upsett just tell the wife they where on sale and everything should be ok,see you actualy save money by getting them! List Price: $4,699.95 Our Price: $4,399.95 Sale Price: $3,999.95 You save $700.00! get the Jesel rockers aswell and you will save even more: List Price: $4,500.00 Our Price: $4,500.00 Sale Price: $4,350.00 You save $150.00! LOL $4350 for 1 head.....had just a tad more in my entire 408 Rickster

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: Dragula] #1642817 07/07/14 08:02 AM 07/07/14 08:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land Moparmal master
Moparmal master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land	Understand they are high end - but for that coin Id want to be seeing some impressive flow figures in the marketing spiel! 67 RO23 clone with 6.1 SRT Hemi and dual quads. Soon to have Drag Pak induction and Throttle body.

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: Moparmal] #1642818 07/07/14 08:40 AM 07/07/14 08:40 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,388 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula OP I Live Here
Dragula OP I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,388 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Quote: Understand they are high end - but for that coin Id want to be seeing some impressive flow figures in the marketing spiel! Here's the problem with that thought.....All that flow and no availability of cubic inches to utilize it...Biggest Gen3 I have seen was a 440 and they stopped making those...Would love to see +480 Gen3 because I am not sure a little 417 with those numbers would survive the rpm needed to put that flow to use. '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: Dragula] #1642819 07/07/14 09:02 AM 07/07/14 09:02 AM
Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska 72Swinger master
72Swinger master Joined: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,302 Nebraska	There are 468" engines running around with Thiteks flowing over 400 at .600 lift already. I think these heads are for the 25lb+ boost club. Mopar to the bone!!!

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: 72Swinger] #1642820 07/07/14 09:45 AM 07/07/14 09:45 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada M MattW master
MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	So what would be the bore limit IF we had a race block, siamese WHITOUT moving the bore centerline? This is the first time we have production and aftermarket heads that will outperforme the block.

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: 72Swinger] #1642821 07/07/14 03:51 PM 07/07/14 03:51 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,388 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula OP I Live Here
Dragula OP I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,388 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Quote: There are 468" engines running around with Thiteks flowing over 400 at .600 lift already. I think these heads are for the 25lb+ boost club. With what block? They even said the 6.4 block they didn't like going to 440 cubes... Flow is flow, but torque is king and going from a 512 I currently have would seem like the wrong direction for me anyways. '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: Dragula] #1642822 07/07/14 05:42 PM 07/07/14 05:42 PM
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justinp61 I Live Here Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 11,684 W. Kentucky	And I just thought Gen 2 Hemi stuff was expensive .

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: justinp61] #1642823 07/07/14 05:44 PM 07/07/14 05:44 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,388 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula OP I Live Here
Dragula OP I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,388 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Quote: And I just thought Gen 2 Hemi stuff was expensive . Yeah.....As with any Hemi $$$$$$$$ and more $$$$ '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: justinp61] #1642824 07/07/14 07:19 PM 07/07/14 07:19 PM
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AlexP I Live Here A Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 10,645 Houston, Tx	Those are pretty, but when a stock casting can support 900+ with the right cubic inches, what is the point? I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The best use of the modern hemi is in an A/B/E body. Thankfully, mopar has the foresight to make it fit the old cars. Oh wait, this engine is intended to push a 4500lb race car that needs 426 cubic inches and 20psi of boost to break into the 9's. /rant My Build thread: Let the hemi swap begin! 1968 wanna be pro touring whatchamacallit with some fancy stuff and a new roof skin.

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: Dragula] #1642825 07/07/14 07:26 PM 07/07/14 07:26 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada M MattW master
MattW master M Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,776 Ontario Canada	Quote: Quote: There are 468" engines running around with Thiteks flowing over 400 at .600 lift already. I think these heads are for the 25lb+ boost club. With what block? They even said the 6.4 block they didn't like going to 440 cubes... Flow is flow, but torque is king and going from a 512 I currently have would seem like the wrong direction for me anyways. The 6.4 has a bore of 4.09. So add 4.25 stroke and you have a 437 Cid. With a .010 over bore. The HellCat make 700 HP with a blower. Stock 6.4 block. IMO the block has to be better than that. Matt

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: Dragula] #1642826 07/07/14 08:09 PM 07/07/14 08:09 PM
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Moparmal master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,943 Melbourne.....Oz-land	Quote: Quote: Understand they are high end - but for that coin Id want to be seeing some impressive flow figures in the marketing spiel! Here's the problem with that thought.....All that flow and no availability of cubic inches to utilize it...Biggest Gen3 I have seen was a 440 and they stopped making those...Would love to see +480 Gen3 because I am not sure a little 417 with those numbers would survive the rpm needed to put that flow to use. Good point! - my point was more about how they are being marketed.....with a dollar figure like that....a person shouldnt have to struggle to get data on how they perform.....it should be right up front.

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: Dragula] #1642827 07/07/14 08:20 PM 07/07/14 08:20 PM
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451Cuda enthusiast 4 Joined: Apr 2013 Posts: 345 Nebraska	Can Gen3 Hemis even handle that much power? I've heard of failures at the 500-600 hp level. Sad considering you can go to U-pull-it and buy a 5.3 LS truck engine that will handle 1000+ hp for $300.

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: MattW] #1642828 07/07/14 08:23 PM 07/07/14 08:23 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,388 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY Dragula OP I Live Here
Dragula OP I Live Here Joined: May 2004 Posts: 12,388 Taxes & Virus's R-US, NY	Quote: Quote: Quote: There are 468" engines running around with Thiteks flowing over 400 at .600 lift already. I think these heads are for the 25lb+ boost club. With what block? They even said the 6.4 block they didn't like going to 440 cubes... Flow is flow, but torque is king and going from a 512 I currently have would seem like the wrong direction for me anyways. The 6.4 has a bore of 4.09. So add 4.25 stroke and you have a 437 Cid. With a .010 over bore. The HellCat make 700 HP with a blower. Stock 6.4 block. IMO the block has to be better than that. Matt Soo 437 cubes to my 512 or 540 is ..... I love the G3 platform and would luv one, but I still have trouble justifing the cost to change over....Now get +480 cubes with a 6.4 block and I can keep my gearing and big tires... I know the engine builders say its the bore size that makes the hp, but I have learned over the years the bigger the motor the less rev, and the more it stays togather. Last edited by Dragula; 07/07/14 08:25 PM. '70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9) '66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage '71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk

Re: Gen3 Guys...The Bar has been raised! [Re: 451Cuda] #1642829 07/07/14 08:28 PM 07/07/14 08:28 PM
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STEFF master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,871 Smyrna, South Carolina	My guess is, with the availability of these billet heads, a billet block is got to be around the corner. And again, those kind of parts aren't for a street/strip car or the budget minded. The people that will buy these heads will not be nickle - diming the power plant they go on. They'll be all-out, no expense spared, max effort motors.

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