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i took a set of disc brakes off of a 73 duster 340 car and i went and ordered new ball joints for it before i put them on my 70 duster and the ball joints they gave me were the big ball joints and the ones i took out were the small ones i thought all 73 disc brake cars were big ball joints can anyone help thanks.

Re: disc brake swap [Re: 71blackdemon] #1640774
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Are you using the '70 or the '73 disc upper control arms?


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Re: disc brake swap [Re: 71blackdemon] #1640775
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Well, what type of disc brakes did you take off the 73 car?
Factory original brakes, or some type of conversion, aftermarket, or something other from stock?
Yes, factory 73-76 A body cars used the big ball joint, along with 99% of the drum brake cars, built in 1973.
There are some 73's out there that have 9 inch drum brakes on them.
Those few cars that survive, have small ball joint upper control arms.
All A body cars 72, on down, use small ball joint upper control arms.
Hope that helps you out.


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Re: disc brake swap [Re: 71blackdemon] #1640776
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A 1973 disc brake car would have the large ball joints. What you have must be something different. Post a picture and we can tell you what parts you have.

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Are you using the '70 or the '73 disc upper control arms?


im using the ones off of the 73 i thought the small ball joint control arm wouldn't fit in the disc brake spindle.

Re: disc brake swap [Re: AndyF] #1640778
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A 1973 disc brake car would have the large ball joints. What you have must be something different. Post a picture and we can tell you what parts you have.


could somebody have switched the upper control arms with some that have the small ball joints

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It'll "fit", as in the stud will go into the hole in the spindle. But the ball joint stud is too small. Dr. Diff sells a tapered adapter to make them work though.


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Re: disc brake swap [Re: 71blackdemon] #1640780
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Are you using the '70 or the '73 disc upper control arms?


im using the ones off of the 73 i thought the small ball joint control arm wouldn't fit in the disc brake spindle.




That's correct.
Disc brake spindles are for the large ball joint.

Then something's been changed on your donor car.


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Re: disc brake swap [Re: 71blackdemon] #1640781
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There's the 2 sizes of A body UBJ's & assuming the parts house gave you the larger A body ones as opposed to C ? body ones that are even bigger yet and assuming you have the BBP single piston discs which you should have since you said they were on a '73 (if original) then you will need those larger ball joints that you have now to match the larger spindle taper & you would need to locate a set of the 73-76 UCA's which would use that larger ball joint. But as said we're still missing something- Are these KH SBP 65-72 discs that were on this 1973 340 duster? Or Doc I think sells a spacer to use the small UBJ/it's matching UCA with the 73 up spindles which have a larger dia tapered hole which is another possibility that could have already taken place in the ones you pirated. Pics please! (or more info)


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There's the 2 sizes of A body UBJ's & assuming the parts house gave you the larger A body ones as opposed to C ? body ones that are even bigger yet and assuming you have the BBP single piston discs which you should have since you said they were on a '73 (if original) then you will need those larger ball joints that you have now to match the larger spindle taper & you would need to locate a set of the 73-76 UCA's which would use that larger ball joint. But as said we're still missing something- Are these KH SBP 65-72 discs that were on this 1973 340 duster? Or Doc I think sells a spacer to use the small UBJ/it's matching UCA with the 73 up spindles which have a larger dia tapered hole which is another possibility that could have already taken place in the ones you pirated. Pics please! (or more info)


i used the socket that i used on my 70 plymouth gtx with drum brakes i thought it would have had the big ball joint in it but it wont fit the ball joints that the parts house gave me for the 73 duster im wondering if they gave me the bigger ones or does my gtx have small ball joints.

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GTX's DO NOT use small ball joints.

What brand ball joints did you get at your parts store?
What's the part number on the box?
Someone here, most likely can reference the part number.

An incorrectly packaged part, perhaps.

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Re: disc brake swap [Re: 71blackdemon] #1640784
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socket that i used on my 70 plymouth gtx with drum brakes i thought it would have had the big ball joint in it but it wont fit the ball joints that the parts house gave me for the 73 duster


I just called my parts house & they said the 70 GTX and 74 dart use the same UBJ. EDIT Assuming the new parts guy I spoke with gave me good info. If your socket is too big for the UBJ then you have the small A body UBJ/UCA which would indicate either SBP KH spindle/4 piston discs or BBP 73 up spindle/single piston discs with the early small UBJ/UCA with Docs's spacer but holler when you can. MORE EDIT! I reread you last post & it sounds like you are saying the socket which fit the GTX UBJ's (which we are assuming are the same as BBP A ones) is too small to fit the A body UBJ's you were given . No mas till I hear back from you

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Re: disc brake swap [Re: RapidRobert] #1640785
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Well, what did the problem turn out to be?


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