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Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: dart4forte] #1639382 06/30/14 04:03 PM 06/30/14 04:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Well having driven a much lesser but similar car in Lemons racing I can assure you, I am already addicted 8192521-LemonsDuster2.jpg (65 downloads)

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1639383 06/30/14 04:35 PM 06/30/14 04:35 PM
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kotacars member K Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 126 mass	Would really be nice to see the front suspension up dates and how the cage is tighted into the chassis

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: kotacars] #1639384 06/30/14 04:38 PM 06/30/14 04:38 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	I'll post pics when it gets here. I plan to remove and replace the frame connectors since they are currently just welded in the front and rear and a couple other isolated spots. Will also likely be making some cage adds/mods. I just don't want to get far ahead of myself until I get it here.

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1639385 06/30/14 06:53 PM 06/30/14 06:53 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 16,135 Mesa, Arizona D dart4forte I Live Here
dart4forte I Live Here D Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 16,135 Mesa, Arizona	Quote: Well having driven a much lesser but similar car in Lemons racing I can assure you, I am already addicted Maybe a visit to Bonneville? http://www.saltflats.com/

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1639386 06/30/14 08:28 PM 06/30/14 08:28 PM
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PHJ426 OP master P Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 3,456 Fly Over States	Quote: Yea it's kind of ironic "Mr. Numbers Matching Guy" is selling his only 100% #s car and buying a race car. Those who know me well know that as much as I love O.E. cars, I've been a racer forever too See ya on the track! Scott....that is what I was scratching my head thinking....isn't Scott a #'s matching guy.... You did call on the Viper brakes I sold last year though so I kinda had the idea the numbers thing is only part of the hobby for you. All the best with the ownership and have fun with that Valiant that is what it was built for.

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: PHJ426] #1639387 06/30/14 08:47 PM 06/30/14 08:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Yea, I've had a road race car in mind for quite some time now and a 67-69 Valiant topped my list (Green Brick style). It's eventually going to need paint, what do you guys think of the factory color red but in a satin finish as opposed to gloss? I was going to order a personalized plate for the red car today REDRUM but it was already taken

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1639388 06/30/14 08:51 PM 06/30/14 08:51 PM
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48Heap enthusiast 4 Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 351 Spokane, WA	Think you will have it home and be able to bring it to the Mopar show in Spokane the evening of the 12th? Disclaimer: I am in no way associated with the show, nor am I even a member of the club. I just want to see the car! I have pictures of Tim's car that I found on the internet back in '07, always thought it was a great car and been very interested in it. 15 Chrysler 200S 3.6 15 Challenger R/T 6M STP 74 Duster 360 -> original 4 speed car a.k.a. DionR

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: 48Heap] #1639389 06/30/14 08:59 PM 06/30/14 08:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Sure I can bring it to the Spokane show as long as all goes as predicted upon it's arrival.

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1639390 06/30/14 09:06 PM 06/30/14 09:06 PM
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kotacars member K Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 126 mass	Would also like to know what this car feels like at speed 160mph and how it compairs to my setup what is the weight and % front to rear? Last edited by kotacars; 06/30/14 09:09 PM.

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: kotacars] #1639391 06/30/14 09:10 PM 06/30/14 09:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	For now only Tim or Andy could answer those questions

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1639392 07/01/14 12:14 AM 07/01/14 12:14 AM
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340duster340 master 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,323 NY NY	Quote: It's eventually going to need paint, what do you guys think of the factory color red but in a satin finish as opposed to gloss? if your thinking of a satin finish you might want to look into plasti-dip. way cheaper than a paint job, and some of the effects they do are incredible. there is this guy on you-tube DYC (dipyourcar.com) that has all kinds of videos.

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1639393 07/01/14 12:27 AM 07/01/14 12:27 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,000 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,000 Oregon	We didn't scale the car last time it was in my shop. Last notes I have were from 2010 when it was 3200 lbs and 55/45 distribution. The numbers should be better now since we removed weight and moved weight back. We started to get more aggressive on any weight that was in front of the CG but there is still a lot of weight that can come off the car. Just takes money and time. A glass hood with a built in scoop would solve a number of issues. Probably need a cowl hood but a TA hood might work at 150+ mph. Not very many guys road race vintage Mopar muscle at 150 mph so not a lot of data out there on what works. 8193181-weigh.jpg (59 downloads)

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: AndyF] #1639394 07/01/14 01:26 AM 07/01/14 01:26 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Good suggestions but 2 things it will never have as long as I own it; a bed liner paint job, or a cowl hood. But I have considered the 72 Dart/Demon or 70 TA hood, as well as a 67 Hemi hood scoop (somewhat large, but sturdy and not too tall for the looks of the car). The suede red paint was just a thought, that way I can stick with the original color, keep it looking low key yet serious, and it probably won't show the wear and tear from racing that a glossy paint shows I really like the looks of this guys car, it's a big money car that doesn't likely see much track time but it looks wicked cool IMO 8193268-238291__1968-plymouth-valiant_p.jpg (61 downloads)

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: AndyF] #1639395 07/01/14 03:12 AM 07/01/14 03:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal	Quote: We didn't scale the car last time it was in my shop. Last notes I have were from 2010 when it was 3200 lbs and 55/45 distribution. The numbers should be better now since we removed weight and moved weight back. We started to get more aggressive on any weight that was in front of the CG but there is still a lot of weight that can come off the car. Just takes money and time. A glass hood with a built in scoop would solve a number of issues. Probably need a cowl hood but a TA hood might work at 150+ mph. Not very many guys road race vintage Mopar muscle at 150 mph so not a lot of data out there on what works. Do you think a scooped hood would create more aero drag than advantages (if any) from: Cowl hood or air from factory cowl box or existing radiator support air? Old nascar guys never ran scoops. Very little ran bulged hoods. The mid 70's Chargers did, but I wonder if that was just to get the rest of the hood lower/angled down for aero. I think you could get aero advantage from blocking off the grille thats not directly in front of radiator. Like with a black sheet aluminum on backside of grille. Might still cool at speed. Experiment by adding blockage until gets hot. Last edited by autoxcuda; 07/01/14 04:32 AM.

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1639396 07/01/14 03:29 AM 07/01/14 03:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal autoxcuda Too Many Posts
autoxcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,467 So Cal	Quote: ... It's eventually going to need paint, what do you guys think of the factory color red but in a satin finish as opposed to gloss? ... I think time might tell on the paint. It's patina is some of it's unique lore. Run like it is. No need to complicate things now. Don't know if it's even been on the track with new oil pan and sway bar???

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: autoxcuda] #1639397 07/01/14 03:32 AM 07/01/14 03:32 AM
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 12,375 SoCal MuuMuu101 I got lucky at Woodward!
MuuMuu101 I got lucky at Woodward! Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 12,375 SoCal	Is the paint all that bad? It seems to look pretty nice from the pictures. I couldn't imagine it being much worse than my Dart that has a bunch of paint chips and rust bubbles. I'd run it as is.

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: MuuMuu101] #1639398 07/01/14 03:35 AM 07/01/14 03:35 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Well I'm not against original patina but the partial trim bothers me, it would all have to be either removed or be complete. I also like a car to be one color and while it's mostly original paint it's been painted doors forward and the reds don't match so I think I'd want to deal with that as well. I am not looking to make it a show pony, just make it a bit cleaner.

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1639399 07/01/14 03:37 AM 07/01/14 03:37 AM
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 12,375 SoCal MuuMuu101 I got lucky at Woodward!
MuuMuu101 I got lucky at Woodward! Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 12,375 SoCal	Quote: Well I'm not against original patina but the partial trim bothers me, it would all have to be either removed or be complete. I also like a car to be one color and while it's mostly original paint it's been painted doors forward and the reds don't match so I think I'd want to deal with that as well. I am not looking to make it a show pony, just a bit cleaner. Now I see the trim and paint difference. You'd probably be bugged with my Dart. You always do have an attention to detail.

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: MuuMuu101] #1639400 07/01/14 03:41 AM 07/01/14 03:41 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard
ScottSmith_Harms Mr Wizzard Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 42,714 Spokane Washington	Quote: You'd probably be bugged with my Dart. Nope, not a bit, who am I to be bugged by YOUR car? To each his own, it's all good

Re: no talk of Tim's Valiant being for sale here [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #1639401 07/01/14 03:42 AM 07/01/14 03:42 AM
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 12,375 SoCal MuuMuu101 I got lucky at Woodward!
MuuMuu101 I got lucky at Woodward! Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 12,375 SoCal	Quote: Quote: You'd probably be bugged with my Dart. Nope, not a bit, who am I to be bugged by YOUR car? To each his own, it's all good Well, "if you owned it" is what I should have said.

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