Re: dakota for steet/strip/autox/track fun 4.7 or 5.9?
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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1500 half ton full sized pickuptruck SS/T.
Tom
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Re: dakota for steet/strip/autox/track fun 4.7 or 5.9?
[Re: buconine]
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06/11/14 12:09 AM
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Cooperstown, NY
jrlegacy23
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I had bought a 2002 2wd Dakota, club cab with a 4.7, 5 speed, 3.55 gears and stock chrome R/T wheels. My friend bought the same truck, but a Dakota R/T with a 360, auto, and 3.92 gears. They were pretty close 0-100mph, but I would take him a half car or so about every time. I really liked the 4.7 manual much better. We swapped trucks and he came away liking the "snottiness" of the 4.7 better also.
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Re: dakota for steet/strip/autox/track fun 4.7 or 5.9?
[Re: buconine]
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06/11/14 05:41 AM
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blown340
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I bought my 2000 4.7L 5-speed regular cab dakota new and have autocrossed it roughly 100 times. With a full hotchkis suspension on it, it works great. The 4.7L with a manual is faster than a stock 5.9L in a straight line everytime and because it is so much lighter it handles much better as well. With that said, there are far more options for modifying the 5.9L for more power than there are for the 4.7L. The 4.7L with light mods makes as much power as you need for autoX type stuff, but it will fall behind a heavily modified 5.9L on higher speed stuff. I eventually swapped my 4.7L for a 8.3L V10 from a SRT10 in a never ending project, but you won't regreat choosing the 4.7L unless you really need crazy power.
-Jon
70 challenger convertible. 340/5 speed. blown, intercooled, efi, blah blah blah
71 valiant scamp 318/A833OD/AC/PS
00 dakota RC 4.7L 5 spd autoX'r. SRT10/T56 swap in process
73 W200 Power wagon, PTO winch, 4 spd
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Re: dakota for steet/strip/autox/track fun 4.7 or 5.9?
[Re: buconine]
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06/12/14 01:21 AM
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If you find an HO engine, just pull it and use the whole thing. I dont think the heads are special but the cams,intake,pistons and rods are IIRC. The HO's were built for more abuse and RPM. I have an 08 Dakota with the 302hp 4.7, and it does scoot even with 3.55 gears,4 doors and 4wd.
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Re: dakota for steet/strip/autox/track fun 4.7 or 5.9?
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06/15/14 09:14 AM
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Marysville, O-H-I-O
70Cuda383
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my vote, start with a 5.2 5-spd truck, 97 through 99 would be good years to look for. that's what my truck started as, reg cab, 5.2, 2wd, 5-spd. with SCT tune, 220/230 cam, 2bbl M1, and some cheap edelbrock mid-length headers, the truck was running mid 14s at 95 mph and with a Hotchkis suspension it would surprise a lot of people in the corners. too bad hotchkis won't make the parts anymore and you have to shop for them used on the dakota forums, When we approached Hotchkis and asked 'how many sets do we need to sell to get you to do another run of your springs/shocks for Dakotas?' their response was "we aren't going to do another run"  but starting with a 5.2 truck, a 5.9 swap is a drop in deal, and as long as you don't use sticky tires, the NV3500 will last awhile behind it, and you can save up $4500 or so to do a Viper T56 swap: http://www.dakotart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27998Once you have the viper T56, you're free to build up whatever motor you want  408 stroker, throw spray, boost, big heads/cam at it, no worries. you won't break the T56 till north of 800hp/torque, and the stock 9.25" axle has proven to be stout enough to live behind 600+ hp builds on trucks running deep into the 10s.
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Re: dakota for steet/strip/autox/track fun 4.7 or 5.9?
[Re: 70Cuda383]
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06/15/14 01:26 PM
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MuuMuu101
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my vote, start with a 5.2 5-spd truck, 97 through 99 would be good years to look for.
that's what my truck started as, reg cab, 5.2, 2wd, 5-spd. with SCT tune, 220/230 cam, 2bbl M1, and some cheap edelbrock mid-length headers, the truck was running mid 14s at 95 mph and with a Hotchkis suspension it would surprise a lot of people in the corners. too bad hotchkis won't make the parts anymore and you have to shop for them used on the dakota forums, When we approached Hotchkis and asked 'how many sets do we need to sell to get you to do another run of your springs/shocks for Dakotas?' their response was "we aren't going to do another run"
but starting with a 5.2 truck, a 5.9 swap is a drop in deal, and as long as you don't use sticky tires, the NV3500 will last awhile behind it, and you can save up $4500 or so to do a Viper T56 swap:
http://www.dakotart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27998
Once you have the viper T56, you're free to build up whatever motor you want
408 stroker, throw spray, boost, big heads/cam at it, no worries. you won't break the T56 till north of 800hp/torque, and the stock 9.25" axle has proven to be stout enough to live behind 600+ hp builds on trucks running deep into the 10s.
See, I would like a truck I could do something like this with (especially this year Dakota) as a 2-in-1 daily driver/parts hauler but Smog Regulations in CA suck and make modifying these cars a pain.
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Re: dakota for steet/strip/autox/track fun 4.7 or 5.9?
[Re: MuuMuu101]
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06/16/14 12:11 AM
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Marysville, O-H-I-O
70Cuda383
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Smog is easy with these OBD-II Vehicles. I know a bunch of guys in California with 408 strokers making good power that still pass emissions. You can tweak the tune via SCT and retain all your original smog equipment and not get any check engine lights. The only code popping on mine is P0351 for 'primary coil resistance' because I have an MSD box running my coil. The MSD is taking its signal from the original coil pos/neg wires but it has almost no resistance so the computer thinks the coil is bad, even though the engine is running fine
And that's a 'soft code' meaning it will NEVER trigger a CEL.
all you would have to do is pick a cam with minimal overlap so that you still pass a sniffer test.
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Re: dakota for steet/strip/autox/track fun 4.7 or 5.9?
[Re: 70Cuda383]
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06/16/14 12:34 AM
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Walnut Creek, CA
blown340
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my vote, start with a 5.2 5-spd truck, 97 through 99 would be good years to look for.
that's what my truck started as, reg cab, 5.2, 2wd, 5-spd. with SCT tune, 220/230 cam, 2bbl M1, and some cheap edelbrock mid-length headers, the truck was running mid 14s at 95 mph and with a Hotchkis suspension it would surprise a lot of people in the corners. too bad hotchkis won't make the parts anymore and you have to shop for them used on the dakota forums, When we approached Hotchkis and asked 'how many sets do we need to sell to get you to do another run of your springs/shocks for Dakotas?' their response was "we aren't going to do another run"
but starting with a 5.2 truck, a 5.9 swap is a drop in deal, and as long as you don't use sticky tires, the NV3500 will last awhile behind it, and you can save up $4500 or so to do a Viper T56 swap:
http://www.dakotart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27998
Once you have the viper T56, you're free to build up whatever motor you want
408 stroker, throw spray, boost, big heads/cam at it, no worries. you won't break the T56 till north of 800hp/torque, and the stock 9.25" axle has proven to be stout enough to live behind 600+ hp builds on trucks running deep into the 10s.
If were talking about a cornering truck, wasn't 2000 the first year for the rack and pinion steering instead of the recirculating ball? Or was that 4wd only?
70 challenger convertible. 340/5 speed. blown, intercooled, efi, blah blah blah
71 valiant scamp 318/A833OD/AC/PS
00 dakota RC 4.7L 5 spd autoX'r. SRT10/T56 swap in process
73 W200 Power wagon, PTO winch, 4 spd
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