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Re: Smokin Hemi... [Re: Challenger 1] #1628976
06/07/14 09:44 PM
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Did a leak down after warming engine and removing plug tubes. Only checked #1, 2 and 4. About the same results from all. 40% leakage... that don't sound good. Sounds like air under the blower.

Re: Smokin Hemi... [Re: Xlr8us Rapidus] #1628977
06/08/14 04:06 PM
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Think I found the problem. #4 intake rocker is broken! Not sure why yet. These are a used set of Norris 1.7s.

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Re: Smokin Hemi... [Re: Xlr8us Rapidus] #1628978
06/08/14 09:21 PM
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Quote:

Think I found the problem. #4 intake rocker is broken! Not sure why yet. These are a used set of Norris 1.7s.

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The broken intake rocker should make the motor miss, not smoke The rocker is broken becuase of one of two reasons, it was defective or over worked, stressed, beyond its designed capabilities I hope none of the others start breaking now


Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)
Re: Smokin Hemi... [Re: Cab_Burge] #1628979
06/09/14 08:35 AM
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The broken intake rocker should make the motor miss, not smoke




If the intake valve is not opening the piston is still pulling a vacuum, it's pulling oil past the rings and seals.

Re: Smokin Hemi... [Re: Xlr8us Rapidus] #1628980
06/09/14 11:57 AM
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Quote:

Did a leak down after warming engine and removing plug tubes. Only checked #1, 2 and 4. About the same results from all. 40% leakage... that don't sound good. Sounds like air under the blower.




IF you found 40% leakage I think you found the problem ... and it's not a broken intake rocker ... if the air is not coming out the intake or the exhaust then that leaves the rings ...

Re: Smokin Hemi... [Re: Xlr8us Rapidus] #1628981
06/09/14 12:12 PM
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Quote:

Think I found the problem. #4 intake rocker is broken! Not sure why yet. These are a used set of Norris 1.7s.

[image][/image]




Blowers create boost as you know, but also put a incredible strain on the rockers, push rods and lifters, a lot of strain. So you need a good valve train, I have no idea about your rockers?

The broken rocker is not the reason for 40% leakage, I'm betting the rings didn't seat during break in usually because of the wrong fuel mixture during break in.

Good luck with it, did you build it?

Re: Smokin Hemi... [Re: Challenger 1] #1628982
06/09/14 01:01 PM
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I Did not build it. I bought it complete. I'm not sure on the accuracy of the leak down. It's a Harbor Freight piece. I think I found a replacement rocker.

Re: Smokin Hemi... [Re: Challenger 1] #1628983
06/09/14 01:52 PM
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Norris rockers were a higher-end product of some years ago, maybe they're still being produced. IIRC they were investment cast stainless steel.

R.

Re: Smokin Hemi... [Re: dogdays] #1628984
06/09/14 02:43 PM
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I was told they're gone. Looking into some Stage V rockers now.

Re: Smokin Hemi... [Re: Xlr8us Rapidus] #1628985
06/29/14 10:53 AM
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Replaced the broken rocker and all seems good. Just a bad rocker I guess! Thanks to everyone for the help.

Re: Smokin Hemi... [Re: Xlr8us Rapidus] #1628986
06/29/14 11:05 AM
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I had Dick Landy Industries build my S/S Hemis back in the 80's and I ran DLI roller rockers on my engines. One time while visiting the shop I asked Dick what he thought of Norris rockers, his reply was pretty straight and to the point.

"This has nothing to do with them being competitors of mine, if I were told my only choices were Norris or stock, I'd run stock rockers, Norris are junk, they break"




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