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Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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I have a 57 dodge seirra wagon that I want to put a 97 5.9l in. I bought the motor/trans and motor wire harness and computer tonight. I know this kind of swap has happened for all kinds of muscle cars. But what I need info on is how to make the power steering stuff compatible? What fuel pump is needed? Do I need to upgrade the orig 12v on the wagon. Any other info would be appreciated!
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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Thanks! I've tried using the search on that site but its not showing any results. Must not be typing in right thing
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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I have a 5.2 in my 55 Dodge, cant help you with the power steering but the rest I have pretty good sorted I use a Walbro inline pump but if I do it again I ll go with a in tank pump I believe the 5.9 needs a fuel pressure regulator , I have heard that there is a GM product that works, fuel regulator/filter from a corvette, if you can use one of those on your car that is... 
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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I think we are going to put in a rack and pinion for steering. Why would you go with an in tank fuel pump? My gas tank has holes in the bottom so I was going to have a local shop bend up material to match orig tank and then we will weld it up. So at this point we are open to what we do, I would rather keep it mostly mopar but I doubt too many people will be looking at my gas tank. Would the corvette parts make my car worth more? 
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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In tank pump because it s quiet, no other reasons if you are going with a rack and pinion, I m afraid you need some more GM parts, I have one from a cavalier that I m going to use on my car, don t know when since it works good with the manual steering but it s in the plans There is a kit for 55 ford that is very similar, going to copy that one I cant remember the manufacturer but I bet google can help you Here is some pics of my tank https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...&PHPSESSID=and, Yes corvette parts will at least double the value of your car 
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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In tank pump because it s quiet, no other reasons
In tank fuelpumps are cooled by the fuel around it. Makes them live longer.
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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Alright I will go with the in tank then. Obviously the one from 97 would have to modified. Are those pumps submerged at the bottom of tank? Reason I ask is my orig tank is tall so if I can buy just a pump I need to know if I need to mount pump at top or bottom of tank
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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Try to get the complete assembly to fit, there is a lot to chose from something like this maybe http://www.fuelpumps.com/chrysler-fuel-p...edan-p-746.html
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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I did mine from 2 mm aluminum,stainless may be a better choice
If you use the complete pump you don t need anything else
I measured a pump from a -05 pickup and it adjust from 10" to 14.5",
don t know about the -97
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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Better make sure that in tank pump is baffled since fuel will slosh away from it and kill the engine otherwise, BTDT.
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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Better make sure that in tank pump is baffled since fuel will slosh away from it and kill the engine otherwise, BTDT.
What do you mean by "the pump has to be baffled"? Is there something we would have to have in addition to the plastic that usually surrounds the pump? Gene
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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If you use the stock plastic housing you don t need baffles, the tank in my -05 pickup is like 5 foot long and have nothing inside...but some kind of baffle or wall inside may be a good idea, just for support
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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gene, I've done 2 tanks. the one was for a 55 chevy. for it, I used a section of a wrecked Pontiac tank for the sump and mounting ring area, which allowed the use of a factory pump. this was welded into the 55 tank. the sump was a round area[a can shape the pump fits down into] with just a couple of smallish slots to allow fuel to enter and had a couple of locator/support tabs on the bottom that braced the pump when it was installed. this is to supplement the "basket" that surrounds the factory pump assembly. this was to feed a 94 LT1 that is stock. if I remember right, this pump is used in a bunch of gm vehicles, so replacements are everywhere. the other was for my cousin's 29 model A rpu. for it, 14ga. flat stock was used. it was bent up into a box shape with the sending unit/pickup/filler neck areas marked and cut out before it was bent. as this was just a "square-ish" type tank, 2 baffels were cut and welded into the inside before the ends were welded on. remember to pressureize the finished tank with about 10lbs of air to check for leaks. there are bound to be several if your luck is like mine. when both tanks held 10lbs. for a week or so, they were installed, and both have been trouble free. if you can, stainless would be the best material to use if it's available because of todays gas. if I remember correctly, the factory uses a special coating on the steel tanks, but I can't remember the name of it. hope this helps in your decision. 
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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gene, I've done 2 tanks. the one was for a 55 chevy. for it, I used a section of a wrecked Pontiac tank for the sump and mounting ring area, which allowed the use of a factory pump. this was welded into the 55 tank. the sump was a round area[a can shape the pump fits down into] with just a couple of smallish slots to allow fuel to enter and had a couple of locator/support tabs on the bottom that braced the pump when it was installed. this is to supplement the "basket" that surrounds the factory pump assembly. this was to feed a 94 LT1 that is stock. if I remember right, this pump is used in a bunch of gm vehicles, so replacements are everywhere. the other was for my cousin's 29 model A rpu. for it, 14ga. flat stock was used. it was bent up into a box shape with the sending unit/pickup/filler neck areas marked and cut out before it was bent. as this was just a "square-ish" type tank, 2 baffels were cut and welded into the inside before the ends were welded on. remember to pressureize the finished tank with about 10lbs of air to check for leaks. there are bound to be several if your luck is like mine. when both tanks held 10lbs. for a week or so, they were installed, and both have been trouble free. if you can, stainless would be the best material to use if it's available because of todays gas. if I remember correctly, the factory uses a special coating on the steel tanks, but I can't remember the name of it. hope this helps in your decision.
terne coated, you pretty much hit the baffle idea right on the head. When I EFI'd my 87 Diplomat I put a pump on the end of the stock pickup. That did not work well.
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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We got some work done yesterday. Pulled the front clip off and the 325 poly with transmission out. Couldn't believe it. Didn't brake a single bolt! Looks like the original motor mounts will work on the magnum. Just from quick measurements it doesn't look like we will have to modify the trans tunnel. Maybe the mount but that's not a big deal. We will have to do some engineering work for the rack and pinion. We have an intrepid rack that we will use for mock up but will end up using a gm rack.
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Re: Planning on putting 5.9 efi into a 57 wagon. Help me
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We measured an extra fuel tank (we have 3 tanks, all with holes rusted in them) from a wagon tonight. The wagon tank is 20" deep, top to bottom, and about 20" square sides with a width of about 10".
Installing a modern in tank fuel pump will be an interesting project if we have to come in from the top. Are there options where we might be able to come in from one end or from the side with a pump that sits at 90 degrees? How about, since the bottom of the tank is only 10" wide (side to side) and about 20" long (front to back) will we have a problem if we attach the efi pump to the wagon sending unit and let it hang just off the bottom of the tank? We can add front and rear baffles about 6" high off the tank bottom on both sides of the hanging pump, will that work? I figure we are going to have to add at least on baffle to prevent fuel movement front to back, so it wouldn't be a big deal to add a second one on the other side of the pump. I figured we would have a piece of steel formed across the top, bent down the inside, bent across the bottom, then bent back up the outside. We would have a weld seam across the top, and on both ends + on the sides of whatever we put inside for baffles. We will probably have to round the top rear corner to fit in the car. We would have the fuel pump/fuel pickup & sending unit and a fill hole on the top surface of the tank.
The thing that will suck is that the tank will have to come out to replace he fuel pump.
Think the hanging efi pump with front and rear baffles will be good enough that we won't have an issue? Gene
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