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Re: holley carb tuning ? [Re: Thumperdart] #1625294
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What? Not sure I understand your point Quick..........


a race car never see's a cruise condition, and has nothing to do when the pv opens from an idle. like sixpackgut just said it need to open as soon as you mash the pedal on a drag car. my opinion is a race car doesn't even need a PV period.

Re: holley carb tuning ? [Re: Quicktree] #1625295
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Lots of people think like this but I have other opinions but either way.


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Re: holley carb tuning ? [Re: Thumperdart] #1625296
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Lots of people think like this but I have other opinions but either way.


thats fine, but remember a PV is nothing more than an on and off switch. if the size is correct it will come on as soon as the desired vac is reached. so actually on a race car that should be instantly. really no difference than a larger jet. and one less problem to have to worry about. my car see's WOT or on the idle circuit. not a lot more. now you being a street raced car is a different story.

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Is the OP's car a race only piece?

Lots of people tune stuff different ways. Some still use total timing as the method on a car with an advance curve, even though cleaning up the idle characteristics can help the car leave on footbrake. Lots of ways to skin the cat.

My deal with a PV is to NOT have an extremely low numbered PV, 2.5, just in case the engine starts pulling a vacuum at high rpm/WOT conditions. That's where the select at idle using 1/2 vacuum guys can get killed. The time difference between a 5.5 and an 8.5 opening when you drop the hammer is so small it's not anything to worry about, manifold vacuum drops to nothing. Watch a gauge how fast it passes through the range when it's matted.

I've got some holleys that the arm on the throttle shaft has become loose. That actuates the pump cam slightly before the plates actually open. Make sure the gold arm isn't loose on the shaft.

Try disconnecting the secondaries and dial in the primary pump shot. Hook secondary up and see how it goes and tune that side. Trying to do both at the same time can be frustrating.

As far as the OP goes. Put an AF gauge in it to see what's occurring. Great tool to diagnose issues.

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Ya, I need a clean cruise AND plugs and now mine look like new after street driving and street racing...........


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Re: holley carb tuning ? [Re: HotRodDave] #1625299
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Here is my experience with the power valve opening point for a street car;

When cruising in the 14.+ range, a late opening power valve (6.5 and lower numbers) can often result in a stumble with light additional throttle. 14+ A/F ratio quickly becomes 15 or 16:1 under even light additional load without additional fuel.

With an earlier opening point (8.5-10.5), the additional fuel comes in at a more appropriate time and prevents the stumble.

I do agree that when you stomp it (whether at the track or on the street) you blow past the opening point fast enough that it is far less relevant. But can still help or hurt in some situations, so it should receive some attention.

Most of the Double Pumpers I have dealt with have been plenty rich about everywhere, so I would be a little surprised if the OP's DP needed anything more than a bit of tweeking, if in fact his stumble is due to a lean condition.

Just my .


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Thanks guys! It is already running 10 times better, I am gonna have to get it to hook up now before I can do any more tuning on pump shots

I also remember why I hate holleys, got to pull the fuel bowls and dump gas all over the engine to check PV and jet sizes




Buy the new bowls that have a drain plug. The new bowls are aluminum so they are lighter, use a AN o-ring fitting which works better and they have clear sight glass so you can easily set the fuel level. Ditch the old stuff and move up to the new stuff.

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