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Air or electric?? #1621104
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When it comes to shifters and throttle stops.. which do you like better and why?

Re: Air or electric?? [Re: Jeepmon] #1621105
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When it comes to shifters and throttle stops.. which do you like better and why?




I dont throttle stop but I did buy a electric shift
for my car.. it wont ever run out of air and the elec
was much cheaper.. lets face it... its a solenoid that
hits the shifter

Re: Air or electric?? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1621106
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Air, the reason you can control the opening and closing rates which you cannot on electric. UNLESS you get the new Dedenbear with a stepper motor but get your wallet out cause it's gonan hurt. I also prefer air for the shifter as well.


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Re: Air or electric?? [Re: Jeepmon] #1621107
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When it comes to shifters and throttle stops.. which do you like better and why?


I bought a Dixie 3 speed electric shifter 20 years ago and it hasn't miss a beat!!!

Re: Air or electric?? [Re: Plymouth340] #1621108
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NO AIR,NO AIR,NO AIR you just can not say it enough times.You are always gonna run out of air,none of them are worth a SH*T!With air there is more weight you have to find a place to mount the bottle and most times that place is hard to get too,then you have to run the lines(and they LEAK) after all of that they still draw amps off your battery which is why you brought them in the 1st place.
If you want the Best buy Dedenbear electric a little more $$$ but the best.If you are on a tight budget buy the Dixie electric,that is what most people use and they seem to work.Don't buy into that the electric does not have enough power,believe me they have all you need and more.

PS If it got air its gonna leak!


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Re: Air or electric?? [Re: MRMOPAR622] #1621109
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I would never ever ever go back to air.

JEGS solenoid mounted on a TurboAction PG shifter.


Re: Air or electric?? [Re: ] #1621110
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Electric.




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Re: Air or electric?? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1621111
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Electric.







Who's Solenoid us that John? Thinking of switching our PPP shifter over to electric

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Who's Solenoid us that John? Thinking of switching our PPP shifter over to electric





Not sure as it came with it. He uses a very powerful spring that is loaded when you pull it back in low. I guess the spring helps with faster shifts, longer solenoid life, and less drawl (amps)


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Re: Air or electric?? [Re: ] #1621113
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I honeslty could care less how you shift it..But when it comes to throttle stops there is one electric stop that will allow you to adjust opening and closing rates. It is made by Dedenbear stepper unit and is $1800..If you have any other electric stop you CANNOT adjust the opening rate, which if you are trying to run a .90 class will sooner or later bite you in the hiney, or you make no power in the first place.

As for air leaks, well mine will hold pressure with the bottle off in the lines for weeks. It aint rocket science to learn how to make it less prone to leaking or to turn a bottle on and off. If you use a large bottle it will last you a LONG LONG time. My little 10oz one would last 3/4 of a year running the stop and shifter.

Then again it is likely I don't know what I am talking about.


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Re: Air or electric?? [Re: pittsburghracer] #1621114
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Ok thanks, I'll talk to Ben Holt I think they are a PPP dealer.

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We are definitely a dealer. And I have installed nothing but air over the last ten years. Properly installed they never leak. And it's no more maintenance than checking the tires, checking the valves, checking the fuel......look over at the bottle and make sure it has pressure. If not, put the spare bottle in (I almost always sell my stuff with a spare bottle) and get the empty filled after the race. On our SS-type stuff (150-200 runs a year) a 10 oz co2 bottle lasts at least all year. Even longer with a 2 speed....

But you wouldn't go up to the staging lanes without checking tires/fuel, etc, why wouldn't you look over at the bottle?

Re: Air or electric?? [Re: Ben Holt] #1621116
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So does NHRA still make you get the bottles re-certified every five years.

Or do you high-rollers just throw them away and buy new.


If the bottles last a year or longer, why would you worry about carring a spare if you have no leaks.


Real index racers don't need stops!

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electric here, have used both. filling the bottles is a hassle.

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So does NHRA still make you get the bottles re-certified every five years.

Or do you high-rollers just throw them away and buy new.


If the bottles last a year or longer, why would you worry about carring a spare if you have no leaks.


Real index racers don't need stops!






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Re: Air or electric?? [Re: Plymouth340] #1621119
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When it comes to shifters and throttle stops.. which do you like better and why?


I bought a Dixie 3 speed electric shifter 20 years ago and it hasn't miss a beat!!!




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Re: Air or electric?? [Re: 440Brian] #1621120
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Dont hate the players hate the game. The .90 classes have evolved into what they are. No going back now, it aint gonna happen. It is what it is

I don't understand the insistence on making ones opinion known on the guys preference on which class he wants to race. Who cares if the guy wants to try throttle stop racing. If you cannot ad anything constructive why not just move on or ad whatever experience you may have had or what your product preference is on an item.

What really frustrates me is why anytime a question that involves stop type racing comes up the conversation always seems to lead to the same inevitable place. That some people don't like stop racing and want everyone to know it. WE GET IT YOU DONT LIKE IT. My frustration comes from the instance of people to make sure they get their feelings known on the subject every time a post like this appears. Instead of adding constructive advice on what question the poster has. If they have chosen to compete at this level why cannot people just accept that and try and help?


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Re: Air or electric?? [Re: Al_Alguire] #1621121
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Well, no matter the shifter used , it requires an electrical activation to work,
Air has 2 issues , 1 electric, and air issues .
The electric has the same , but connected to same issues , electric current
Batteries get low , inconsistent it becomes,
All in what you trust, what one prefers

Re: Air or electric?? [Re: dennismopar73] #1621122
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Well, no matter the shifter used , it requires an electrical activation to work,
Air has 2 issues , 1 electric, and air issues .
The electric has the same , but connected to same issues , electric current
Batteries get low , inconsistent it becomes,
All in what you trust, what one prefers


an electric shifter uses very little power, it only shifts twice for a split second and has 0 effect on being consistent. if you are racing these days without an alternator

Re: Air or electric?? [Re: Quicktree] #1621123
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so why doesnt anyone make a electric shifter for a 3spd reverse turbo action shifter?. or am I missing it?.


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