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New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. #1610380
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I've heard of tight or misaligned bearings but is 24 ft lbs too much torque too turn a 440 cam?

Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: cougar_cat_25] #1610381
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Sounds like the cam bores are not sized or in line correctly. Not uncommon at all to need to hone the cam bores and/ or scrape bearings. Better to fix it now then after you tear something up.
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Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #1610382
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Sounds like the cam bores are not sized or in line correctly. Not uncommon at all to need to hone the cam bores and/ or scrape bearings. Better to fix it now then after you tear something up.
Keith




Agreed, something is off.


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Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: cougar_cat_25] #1610383
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I've heard of tight or misaligned bearings but is 24 ft lbs too much torque too turn a 440 cam?




Absolutely to tight. But guess what, Very common with new bearings. The common fix is to scrape the high spots off with a bearing knife. Never saw one myself. The second common way is to take a used cam and cut a groove across each cam journal and spin it in the bearings untill you have them clearanced.

A third uncommon way is to have the blocks cam journals bored or honed to proper size/??? Most just clearance the bearings. It sucks, I know.

Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: Sport440] #1610384
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[ The second common way is to take a used cam and cut a groove across each cam journal and spin it in the bearings untill you have them clearanced.


diagonal groove(s). that'd be the way I would deal with this, & clean the shavings


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Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: cougar_cat_25] #1610385
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I've heard of tight or misaligned bearings but is 24 ft lbs too much torque too turn a 440 cam?


Welcome to the wondeful world of BB Mopar block quality control All kidding aside your deal is not uncommon, maybe one in ten blocks are that way Take it to a competent machine shop and have them fit the cam to the cam bearings as already suggested I bought a bearing knife for that reason so I can do them myself, I install one cam bearing at a time and then trial fit the cam, once the first journal fits and turns easily I do the next one and so on.

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Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: Cab_Burge] #1610386
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Pull the cam out. Scrape the shiny spots on the bearings by dragging a utility knife across them. Refit cam, spin it, and scrape shiny spots until you can turn the cam by hand w/o the gear attached. Hopefully this is the first part you're installing in the block. Not all that tough with the crank out of the way.
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Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: dvw] #1610387
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I made a bearing scraper out of a broomstick cut short, about 3 feet long.. Cut a small slit that a razor blade fit in. Worked real nice. As mentioned already, turn an old cam in there to make some shiny/visible high spots. Scrape them down, retry cam. Just keep doing it until you have it rotating freely. Just takes time and patience


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Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: cougar_cat_25] #1610388
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I've heard of tight or misaligned bearings but is 24 ft lbs too much torque too turn a 440 cam?




24ft lbs is about 24 ft lbs to much... it should be
able to spin with your fingers... I dont even have 24
ft lbs to turn my engine without the rockers... I have
a old cam with the grooves cut in it to size the
cam bearings

Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1610389
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Thanks for the info guys! I wish I kept the last two cams I wiped the lobes on to make a scraper out of. I did put the crank in so the broomstick idea sounds great.

Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: cougar_cat_25] #1610390
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If you want tomminimize trash in the engine, put some grease on the razor blade and scrape in one direction only, the grease will catch all the scrapings,just go slow. It works well !


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Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: n20mstr] #1610391
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I had one that rolled a small piece of the block cast flashing under a cam bearing when I installed the bearings and I did not know it. Had the same thing as cam was to tight to turn. I actually knocked all but the front and rear bearing back out and it turned free. So I installed the bearings one at a time until the #3 bearing made it tight. Took the bearing back out and looked at it real close and then I could see the slight high shinny spot. Looked at the back of bearing and it showed real easy. Looked and found the rolled casting and then it was fine. Good luck taking care of it. Ron

Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: RapidRobert] #1610392
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[ The second common way is to take a used cam and cut a groove across each cam journal and spin it in the bearings untill you have them clearanced.


diagonal groove(s). that'd be the way I would deal with this, & clean the shavings


Hey Robert . thats what I do. Took and old cam and cut diagonal grooves in the journals. A couple of passes throught the cam bearings and your good to go.


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Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: Crizila] #1610393
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[ The second common way is to take a used cam and cut a groove across each cam journal and spin it in the bearings untill you have them clearanced.


diagonal groove(s). that'd be the way I would deal with this, & clean the shavings


Hey Robert . thats what I do. Took and old cam and cut diagonal grooves in the journals. A couple of passes throught the cam bearings and your good to go.





Yep, diagonal groove I didnt specify. It helps with the cut and the flow of the shavings for cleanup. It will take more then just a couple of passes though, in most cases.

Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: cougar_cat_25] #1610394
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Thanks for the info guys! I wish I kept the last two cams I wiped the lobes on to make a scraper out of. I did put the crank in so the broomstick idea sounds great.


When your done with the cam bearings remove the crank and main bearings and clean everything very thoroughly Engine assembly is like brain surgery, it is absolutely impossible to keep it to clean


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Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: cougar_cat_25] #1610395
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#3 has a couple shiny spot opposite of each other as if from being slightly misaligned. I`ll drive it out and try again. Couple other shiny spots on 1 and 2 that I`ll try a razor blade on.

Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: Crizila] #1610396
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Hey Robert .


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Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: RapidRobert] #1610397
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Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: cougar_cat_25] #1610398
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You may find that when the oil passage was drilled it created a hump in the cam bore and may cause a pinch in the bearing.


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Re: New cam bearings, takes 24 ft lbs to turn cam. [Re: Clanton] #1610399
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I would 1st try an old cam that you knew fit. I have seen recently, new cams that had the cam journals to big. There was nothing wrong with the bearings, just the new cam.

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