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Wacky question - cost of restoration in current economy #160957
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Hey Guys,

Was talking to a buddy of mine the other day and he was speculating about the cost of restorations coming down with the economy.

His thoughts were resto shops would be hurting for business and therefore more "price" friendly. My buddy is thinking along the lines of a restoration, not a resto-mod, or hot rod type rebuild/repaint.

My experience is the really good shops stay booked as there are always people with money out there.

It's the so-so guys who will be dropping prices for business and then, quality is suspect.

Parts prices will probably stay close to the same, but a really savvy shopper could get some good deals on resto parts.

What do you guys think? Is he dreaming?


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Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current economy [Re: A34] #160958
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If you're any good, you are jammed through thick and thin.

I am not dropping my prices, booked solid.

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Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current economy [Re: Mike Mancini] #160959
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I agree with Mike. Quality, talent and experience will always be hard to come by and therefore cost more. Besides, the overhead to shops has not went down so how could they cut their prices? Believe it or not, running a resto shop will NOT make you rich. People have no idea how much it takes to run a shop and therefore cant understand the hourly rates sometimes.

Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current eco [Re: A34] #160960
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The only things that are cheaper are some cars and some used parts.

Everything else is pretty much the same.

The haves still have. The haves some have a little less and the have nots still have not.

Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current eco [Re: Morty426] #160961
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6 cars at the shop, Just booked 3 more. I bet were on the cheap side of the game though.

Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current eco [Re: AdamR] #160962
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A SMART business man will NOT lower his prices to get more business. He knows what his cost of doing business is and how much he needs to charge to STAY in business to service his clients and maintain his good name, which gets him referral business....usually the best kind of business.
Set your standards within your means and live to those standards! In business or not.


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Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current eco [Re: Darius] #160963
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The haves still have. The haves some have a little less and the have nots still have not.



The F-body world has not changed, F-body parts are actually going up and a quality job does not know or care if its an E or F Body car...a paint job is a paint job, a trans is a trans.....

Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current eco [Re: quick77rt ] #160964
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Good points guys. Just what I was saying.


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Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current eco [Re: A34] #160965
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My take is that since the price/value of the finished product (the "restored" car) has certainly dropped, and since the cost to restore has not (or very little) for the reasons stated above, the effect on the economy is that the price/value of the PROJECT cars, those candidates for a resto, HAS dropped considerably!!! A project that might have gotten $15K or $20K a few years ago might only fetch $5K-$10K (rough numbers) now.

Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current economy [Re: Mike Mancini] #160966
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It's pretty simple really, those who are restoring a car with hopes of economic gain can stop now...You better be doing it cause you want to not cause you think your gonna cash out...

Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current eco [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #160967
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Quote:

My take is that since the price/value of the finished product (the "restored" car) has certainly dropped, and since the cost to restore has not (or very little) for the reasons stated above, the effect on the economy is that the price/value of the PROJECT cars, those candidates for a resto, HAS dropped considerably!!! A project that might have gotten $15K or $20K a few years ago might only fetch $5K-$10K (rough numbers) now.




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Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current economy [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #160968
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It's pretty simple really, those who are restoring a car with hopes of economic gain can stop now...You better be doing it cause you want to not cause you think your gonna cash out...





Thank you.

Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current economy [Re: AdamR] #160969
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If you want a reference point of current trends for car prices, look at auction bids lately. I encourage those that believe prices will stay high to start high end restorations today, the national economy will thank you. Please stay on your meds.

Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current eco [Re: 1_WILD_RT] #160970
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Quote:

It's pretty simple really, those who are restoring a car with hopes of economic gain can stop now...You better be doing it cause you want to not cause you think your gonna cash out...




That has always been my stance

Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current eco [Re: Morty426] #160971
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3 in assembly stages

3 in body and paint

3 year waiting list is storage area

3 man operation nice and lean


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Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current eco [Re: moparo] #160972
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I'm glad you guy's in the resto buisness are doing so great that you don't have to lower your prices. If you are like me,and in the construction buisness,lets just say a half a loaf of bread is better then no bread at all!

Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current eco [Re: badsixpack] #160973
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I was thinking about this topic yesterday so interesting to see it here today.

I can see where larger shops would be more inclined to keep pricing higher but what about the the "1 Man Show". The guy who does this and is really good but only does 1 or 2 cars at one time?

I do think you might be able to find good Bodywork guys that might want to make some extra on the side and would do the bodywork on your car at a reduced rate.

Just thoughts for discussion.

Joe



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Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current eco [Re: jrwoodjoe] #160974
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forget about Labor Cost....


Have you priced Automotive Paint and Supply's???

Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current eco [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #160975
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Quote:

My take is that since the price/value of the finished product (the "restored" car) has certainly dropped, and since the cost to restore has not (or very little) for the reasons stated above, the effect on the economy is that the price/value of the PROJECT cars, those candidates for a resto, HAS dropped considerably!!! A project that might have gotten $15K or $20K a few years ago might only fetch $5K-$10K (rough numbers) now.




This is what I'm referring to...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Truc...A1%7C240%3A1318

This is a $5K car at best.....


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Re: Wacky question - cost of restoration in current eco [Re: moparo] #160976
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3 in assembly stages

3 in body and paint

3 year waiting list is storage area

3 man operation nice and lean




You need to go full time brother.....
Here's my current stats:

1 in assembly stage

2 in body and paint

3 in waiting

1 man operation too lean


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