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Re: Official Joe PAPPAS Q & A Thread
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12/30/08 11:53 AM
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It is confirmed, Joe Pappas will be at the Brevard Swap Meet (Melbourne Florida) on Jan.24,2009 --- Stop by and talk to him
http://www.spacey.net/cconnor/swap.htm
I will be there. 
Is Oldfield comming.?
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Re: Official Joe PAPPAS Q & A Thread
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12/30/08 02:07 PM
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I really enjoyed that video, Bill, and what a kick as Lee Edward's Vega pulls the front wheels on the 1-2 shift.<smiling> What track is that in NC? Who had the white Duster that crashed? Was that the Stu McDade car that was blue, right at the end?
Thanks,
Mark
The video title says it was filmed @ now closed Shuffletown Dragstrip ( damn developers   ) just outside of Charlotte NC. Looking at the the video again I have to agree It looks like David Sox in the wreck, maybe Dean will verify for us, David made his first pass in 30 years in Dean's Duster @ the McCandless Mopar Classic in September.
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Re: Official Joe PAPPAS Q & A Thread
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Kevin, you bringing the car ?
Not 100% sure at this time. I will figure it out over the next 5-7 days.
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Re: Official Joe PAPPAS Q & A Thread
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12/30/08 08:40 PM
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I really enjoyed that video, Bill, and what a kick as Lee Edward's Vega pulls the front wheels on the 1-2 shift.<smiling> What track is that in NC? Who had the white Duster that crashed? Was that the Stu McDade car that was blue, right at the end?
Thanks,
Mark
Hey Mark,
I was just as curious as you and also had no idea on the identity of the crashed car in the vid. Ahhhh the 1-2 shift on the Vega...too cool.
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Re: Official Joe PAPPAS Q & A Thread
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12/31/08 07:22 PM
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Hey Bill Hartman,
Any other cool video of 70's Pro Stock laying around? How about Summer Duck Dragway?
Mark
Found those two links on YouTube following a video link Stewart sent out. I just try as many different catch phrases in their search window as possible (pro-stock, vintage, 1970, by name (Mopar Missle), etc...) They are some out there, just find em by happen chance. But I'm always looking!! 
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Re: Official Joe PAPPAS Q & A Thread
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Hey Bill Hartman,
Any other cool video of 70's Pro Stock laying around? How about Summer Duck Dragway?
Mark
Theres a bunch on youtube
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Re: Official Joe PAPPAS Q & A Thread
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This is by far one of my favorite vids and has been posted on Moparts a few times. For Joe Pappas, curious what it was like racing at OCIR, Ontario Motor Speedway, Riverside, Lions, etc (tracks now gone)... were these considered "super tracks" of their day? What were they like vs. East Coast tracks? Seems California had tracks around every corner..  Or better yet....was territorial pride on the line..East Coast vs. West..etc. Had to be fun to trailer all the way across country back then and put a serious spanking on the competition  In some cases, if the competition knew you guys were in town, would they look to race elsewhere to avoid the smack down  Drag Cars Having Fun
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Re: Official Joe PAPPAS Q & A Thread
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This is by far one of my favorite vids and has been posted on Moparts a few times.
For Joe Pappas, curious what it was like racing at OCIR, Ontario Motor Speedway, Riverside, Lions, etc (tracks now gone)... were these considered "super tracks" of their day? What were they like vs. East Coast tracks? Seems California had tracks around every corner.. Or better yet....was territorial pride on the line..East Coast vs. West..etc. Had to be fun to trailer all the way across country back then and put a serious spanking on the competition In some cases, if the competition knew you guys were in town, would they look to race elsewhere to avoid the smack down
Drag Cars Having Fun
Bill,
We raced mostly at Ontario and Pomona. It seems like almost every track we ever raced at or tested at in California is now gone with the exception of Pomona. We tested a lot at the old Irwindale track as well as Orange County, and even once at Ontario. I think that Orange County was near or next to El Toro Marine Air Station. Later, when I lived in the Bay area in the mid 70's I raced with guys like John Jodauga (John is an Associate Editor for the National Dragster) at Fremont when he brought his racecar into town.
Like I said, everything is now gone. The California tracks were all pretty cool and had good pedigree on their side. I especially liked testing at OCIR because it was a very nice facility and they had an on-site chef that would make all us a hot lunch every day. That was really first class! No balogna sandwiches for us...
As far as east coast vs. west coast stuff went I guess it never entered my thoughts back then. There were typically 4-8 teams that you knew could win at any time. Certainly Sox, Landy, Jenkins, Nicholson, Fons, and the Missile fit in there. I honestly don't think that there was a "territorial' feel to much of what we did. There was always plently of room for a local PS team to make the show as we tended to qualify 32 car fields back then. Everyone knows what a thrill it is to qualify even when you know in your heart that you don't have much of a chance unless your opponent breaks or red lights.
Since we shared our test info with all the other Chrysler PS teams, we would often be joined by them during one of our test sessions so our relations with them were great. Back in Michigan, we would open up our shop to them when they were in town. I can't tell you how many times the Sox & Martin rig and the Landy rig were parked together outside our shop and all 3 teams were tearing apart their cars on the floor. It was just what we did - we never thought much about it.
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Re: Official Joe PAPPAS Q & A Thread
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01/03/09 06:25 PM
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Joe,
Wondering if you might add some thoughts about the development of the Hemi Pro Stock engine during your time with the Rod Shop, Mopar Missile and other programs at Chrysler, as you had a unique insider perspective . The Chrysler program resulted in some of the most innovative developments such as the crank trigger ignition, smart oil pan designs, high lift roller camshafts, etc., and common sense ideas like milling all of the un-needed weight from the cylinder block (bosses, freeze plug bump, webs, and even the thickness of the water jacket), restricting oil to the top end of the motor (less oil to the valve train means less has to get past the rotating assembly to get to the oil pan, re: reduced windage), etc. Just to get the reflective thoughts flowing, here are some questions:
1. Even with all the innovation of the Chrysler Hemi program, it seems like there was a reluctance to move from the NASCAR steel rod/heavy piston combo to an aluminum rod/light piston combo similar to the Ford 351 Cleveland, SBC and BBC and AMC. Any comments on this? Was durability the issue?
2. The dry sump oil system certainly adds weight to the front end of the car, but was probably a necessity when you are talking about super low cars such as Ken Van Cleve’s car, the Missile and even Carlton’s black B/A car. Any idea on how much horsepower was gained with the dry sump over a 7” oil pan, and was it enough to offset the added weight?
3. When did titanium valves first start being used in the Hemi’s?
Thanks!
Mark
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Re: Official Joe PAPPAS Q & A Thread
[Re: StewartP]
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01/04/09 03:05 PM
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Stewart, Go to www.autofestnc.com and click on the upper left corner on hot rod expo. Every year they induct 4 new members into the NC Drag Racing Hall of Fame. Past inductees have included, Sox & Martin, Don Carlton, Herb McCandless, Harold Denton. This year it will be Max Hurley, Dee Simmons,Roy Hill and the late Billy West  . Todd Werner usely brings @ least 1 of his cars and you'll see Buddy Martin, Ron Lyles's family, The McCandless family most anybody involved in drag racing in NC.
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Re: Official Joe PAPPAS Q & A Thread
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01/04/09 04:35 PM
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