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Re: triple purpose build questions
[Re: GTX MATT]
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04/12/14 12:51 AM
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Build a stroker with stock port window aluminum heads and I think you can do it for sure. Look at BSB67s '67 Charger, he's well in the 11s with a stock torque converter, 3.23s, and manifolds as I recall and his car is HEAVY. Talk to him 
Yes, his car runs real good. I think I can piece this together on the cheap
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Re: triple purpose build questions
[Re: Bruce]
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04/12/14 02:00 AM
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My 8.97:1 493 does 500hp 600 ft/lbs with RPM heads and an MP509 on 87 regular. For what you want to do I would put more cylinder head on my shortblock and as much hyd cam as I could put in it and still live with a 25-2800 converter. Something around 114 LSA with .600ish lift. This should make for a nice no maintenance mid 5000 to low 6000 rpm combo that can go coast to coast for 100,000 plus miles and do it on reg gas for the most part. Mine makes over 500 ft/lbs from 2000 on with the MP509 and it was quite happy to pull the stock converter but the power brakes and EFI didn't care for the less than 10" of vac and the 1100 rpm idle was banging the crap out of the driveline. I put in a 2800 advertised TA converter and now it's easier on the driveline but harder on the tires.   And then there is always the boost option. Cake and eat it too. Kevin
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Re: triple purpose build questions
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04/12/14 08:52 AM
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Another option to help your project might be a newer 727 with a lockup converter. There are companies that build converters for them with more than one lockup disc for hi hp apps. On the cam, I don't agree with a wide lobe separation for a low end torque build. It hurts both ends of the power range when you don't have big heads and valves for the cubes, and stroked 440s are hurting there.
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Re: triple purpose build questions
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04/12/14 09:29 AM
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I was thinking maybe a 8.8 rear out of an explorer for the van if its wide enough
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Re: triple purpose build questions
[Re: sixpackgut]
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04/12/14 10:22 AM
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are you going through a middle age crisis? can you imagine the fuel cost to pull a race car in an 11 second van.
Think i should put a diesel in it? I was thinking about that
well you could turn it up and run 11 seconds and still be reliable. not a bad idea
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Re: triple purpose build questions
[Re: Quicktree]
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04/12/14 12:36 PM
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I guarantee that a hopped up 440 Tradesman will get better fuel mileage than that Monaco diesel pusher! Pretty hard for Ray to go through a mid-life crisis when he is perpetually 19.
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Re: triple purpose build questions
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04/12/14 12:38 PM
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I guarantee that a hopped up 440 Tradesman will get better fuel mileage than that Monaco diesel pusher! Pretty hard for Ray to go through a mid-life crisis when he is perpetually 19.
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I doubt it, mine gets around 10mpg, haven't pulled the trailer yet but friends have told me they get the same with or without the trailer. plus it's a heck of a lot nicer to sleep in a bed and not on shag but Ray is a little kinky I heard
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Re: triple purpose build questions
[Re: sixpackgut]
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04/12/14 12:59 PM
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are you going through a middle age crisis? can you imagine the fuel cost to pull a race car in an 11 second van.
Think i should put a diesel in it? I was thinking about that
You dont want a diesel in the front of a van... they
are nose heavy already and a diesel would KILL all
of the front end parts... even if you could find springs
strong enough to keep it up
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Re: triple purpose build questions
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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04/12/14 01:06 PM
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are you going through a middle age crisis? can you imagine the fuel cost to pull a race car in an 11 second van.
Think i should put a diesel in it? I was thinking about that
You dont want a diesel in the front of a van... they
are nose heavy already and a diesel would KILL all
of the front end parts... even if you could find springs
strong enough to keep it up
couldn't be that much heavier than a 440, how much do they weigh?
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Re: triple purpose build questions
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04/12/14 01:31 PM
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Our old 440 van gets around 10 mpg on the road and about the same towing my son's Challenger on an open trailer, 391 posi rear.
There are lots of danas out of pickups if you want a stronger rear end. Width would probably be in the ball park,
There is a lot of room under the van for turbos, use alcohol injection and you have beast. Better get a better drive shaft too.
you could add a gear vendors overdrive.
Also, these old vans steer like an old mopar...plenty of slop in the wheel.
My son still has my old 77 van and they are a very practical vehicle. We can move a lot of things without worrying if it will rain. Being in the northwest rain in a big factor.
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Re: triple purpose build questions
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04/12/14 01:51 PM
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are you going through a middle age crisis? can you imagine the fuel cost to pull a race car in an 11 second van.
Think i should put a diesel in it? I was thinking about that
You dont want a diesel in the front of a van... they
are nose heavy already and a diesel would KILL all
of the front end parts... even if you could find springs
strong enough to keep it up
couldn't be that much heavier than a 440, how much do they weigh?
We built up a slant six diesel and put it in a van
about a 78 drove real nice and got great mileage and
had all the towing power you would need... but that
was a one off diesel and much lighter than a Cummins
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Re: triple purpose build questions
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04/12/14 02:18 PM
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Cummins 6BT weighs 1100 pounds.
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motor trans an all? or just the motor?
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Re: triple purpose build questions
[Re: sixpackgut]
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04/12/14 02:25 PM
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70s dodge tradesman vans
Is it easy to put a big block in one?
Anyone know what they weigh?
I want to build a van to take to drag week that can run 11.50s, tow my car, and have a bed in it with shag carpet
Any and all opinions welcome
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