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Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake #1588383
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Guys, For a 440 I know of the edelbrock lowrise dual quad intake (5440) but I am not a fan of eddy carbs is there an intake like it for holleys, or can/will adapters need to be used.

part numbers and links would be helpful

thanks in advance Henry


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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: modelmakerinc] #1588384
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Guys, For a 440 I know of the edelbrock lowrise dual quad intake (5440) but I am not a fan of eddy carbs is there an intake like it for holleys, or can/will adapters need to be used.

part numbers and links would be helpful

thanks in advance Henry




WHat makes you think a Holley can't be used?


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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: Supercuda] #1588385
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Because the bolt pattern is for afb/ eddy style carbs. Even the ads are clear: Note: Requires the use of Edelbrock, or Carter AFB style carburetors.


That's why I asked if/can adapters be used

Chrysler, Big Block

Designed for 413-426-440 c.i.d. Chrysler V8s.Note: Requires the use of Edelbrock, or Carter AFB style carburetors.



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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: modelmakerinc] #1588386
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I think the Offenhauser 5206 will let you use holleys.


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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1588387
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I think the Offenhauser 5206 will let you use holleys.




A VERY low performance intake if I remember my dyno results though, the Edelbrock intake and just about any single four barrel intake spanks it.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/hrdp_0712_mopar_intake_manifold_comparo/viewall.html




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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: gdonovan] #1588388
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I think the Offenhauser 5206 will let you use holleys.




A VERY low performance intake if I remember my dyno results though, the Edelbrock intake and just about any single four barrel intake spanks it.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/hrdp_0712_mopar_intake_manifold_comparo/viewall.html




then he'll have to look on e-bay for something else.

Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: modelmakerinc] #1588389
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I believe the problem using Holleys is that the fuel bowls interfere with each other. So unless you turn them sideways they won't fit.

The "two AFBs on an intake" look is very old school Chrysler, don't see why you don't want that. As for tuning, I don't remember any OEM inline two-fours intakes that used Holleys, back in the day.

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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: modelmakerinc] #1588390
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The Indy Mod Man intake looks like it would have enough room for Holley carbs, you may have to modify or make your own top plate for them to fit.


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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: BlueGhost] #1588391
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I just purchased a mod man intake for 440 with 2 four barrel top, and I can tell you 2 holleys will not fit. I tried it. You would have to change bolt pattern on the top plate. Possible could use some sort of adapters, but you would be better off with Eddy's or afbs.

Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: 65dodgebob] #1588392
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You could go to a pair of Street Demon carburetors on the CH440.
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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: modelmakerinc] #1588393
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Can you post a picture of that intake? I hope so, I think that manifold may be a duplicate of the original stock OEM cast iron Mopar intakes If so those where a single plane style intake, I've ran those and they where not the best out there They did work better with one to one linkage instead of progressive Good luck, maybe a 2x4 tunnel ram would be better


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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: Cab_Burge] #1588394
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the spacing on the edelbrock ch28 is too close for holleys. the demon google valve carb might fit. the edelbrock/afb carbs should be trouble free easy carbs,.... . this is what i'm doing. the ch28 isn't a "low rise" intake.

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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: Mr.Yuck] #1588395
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I think the Offenhauser 5206 will let you use holleys.




I thought it would too but I looked it up. It will not.


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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: dogdays] #1588396
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As for tuning, I don't remember any OEM inline two-fours intakes that used Holleys, back in the day.

R.

I'm sure someone will refresh my memory!




Some 427 Fords ran inline Holley's.

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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: modelmakerinc] #1588397
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here's a pic of my early 60's iron single plane with a pair of 4131 AFB's going on a 451. Not a killer setup more of a toy to play with.


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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: RapidRobert] #1588398
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well, I guess since trying to use a pair of holleys I have will not an easy scenario. I will look into buying the edelbrock intake and carbs. summit has a combo with everything needed for $1200

Or I may look into doing a procharger set-up. ever since I took off the tunnel ram, all my friends tell me I should keep the hood on.

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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: gdonovan] #1588399
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I think the Offenhauser 5206 will let you use holleys.




A VERY low performance intake if I remember my dyno results though, the Edelbrock intake and just about any single four barrel intake spanks it.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/hrdp_0712_mopar_intake_manifold_comparo/viewall.html


Everyone trots that out as if it were some sort of valid test, but they were too cheap and/or lazy to get a couple of strip kits to calibrate the carbs, they said the engine was running 10.9:1 a/f ratio, i.e. way too rich. If Offy was spending AD money with that rag, you can bet it wouldn't have even been included without a re-jetting. To the OP, the low Offy manifold can only run Holleys sideways NOT inline.

Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: Skeptic] #1588400
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I think the Offenhauser 5206 will let you use holleys.




A VERY low performance intake if I remember my dyno results though, the Edelbrock intake and just about any single four barrel intake spanks it.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/hrdp_0712_mopar_intake_manifold_comparo/viewall.html


Everyone trots that out as if it were some sort of valid test, but they were too cheap and/or lazy to get a couple of strip kits to calibrate the carbs, they said the engine was running 10.9:1 a/f ratio, i.e. way too rich. If Offy was spending AD money with that rag, you can bet it wouldn't have even been included without a re-jetting. To the OP, the low Offy manifold can only run Holleys sideways NOT inline.




I believe this is not so...I have owned one for over 30 years, holleys DO fit normally (F to R), and 2 600s work nicely OOTB.


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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: Skeptic] #1588401
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there is a offenhouser 440 intake with dual fours already on it on the muncie indiana craigslist

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I've got a low deck deck version here right now and there is NO way a pair of Holley carbs will fit inline

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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: Skeptic] #1588403
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Everyone trots that out as if it were some sort of valid test, but they were too cheap and/or lazy to get a couple of strip kits to calibrate the carbs, they said the engine was running 10.9:1 a/f ratio, i.e. way too rich.




I have one on the rack and have run it, looking to buy one?

Edelbrock TM with a TQ spanks its rear pretty hard, did on my ride.

This intake is good for a cruiser, all I'd use it for. Any decent single four will make more power and be less trouble.




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Everyone trots that out as if it were some sort of valid test, but they were too cheap and/or lazy to get a couple of strip kits to calibrate the carbs, they said the engine was running 10.9:1 a/f ratio, i.e. way too rich.




I have one on the rack and have run it, looking to buy one?

Edelbrock TM with a TQ spanks its rear pretty hard, did one my ride.

This intake is good for a cruiser, all I'd use it for. Any decent single four will make more power and be less trouble.


Don't need another one- see my above post, I bought mine for a blower project that has gone by the wayside. I never said it was a great manifold, but that "test" was crap.

Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: Skeptic] #1588405
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OK,I see what you see, remember the 600s only have 1 metering block and a short bowl.My offy is 70s and has removable carb flanges with a dual BP, it is for an RB.maybe they changed it?

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I've got a low deck deck version here right now and there is NO way a pair of Holley carbs will fit inline


That is the Offy dual quad intake that acts and looks like a single plane intake withe a divider down the middle, none of those type intakes I have work on or drove work very well with progressive carb. linkage One to one carb. linkage did help but still a little lazy down low, under 2500 RPM I haven't treid any of the new Eddy 2x4 in line dual plane looking intakes, they may be better


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OK,I see what you see, remember the 600s only have 1 metering block and a short bowl.My offy is 70s and has removable carb flanges with a dual BP, it is for an RB.maybe they changed it?


OK cool, I've got the spacers around here somewhere, but they don't have any offset on the center->center. I'll take your word the 600s will fit inline. I've wondered if they would work better with a pair of spacers. Here's a shot of the Offy manifold that ended up in the car- still a work in progress. It made 472 hp, 489 ft/lbs with a small Thumper cam and mildly ported RPM heads on a 9.8:1 .030 over stock stroke 400. That was just getting a basic tune on the dyno.

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Re: Dual quad or dual 4 bbl 440 intake [Re: Skeptic] #1588408
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You are showing a center pivot float Model 4150 carb. The side pivot float fuel bowls are much shorter, plus the 4160 doesn't have a secondary metering block. Your picture proves nothing.

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