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I have a 70 `cuda with a 440. I have a set of scales and what would be good corner weight numbers.

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I have a 70 `cuda with a 440. I have a set of scales and what would be good corner weight numbers.




Put it on first to see what you have...there is no
magic combo... for all we know you could be 58% on
the front

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With out any pre-load, the rr is about 150# lighter than the lr.I have to adjust the lf up to get the lr and rr the same. I have ss 02/03 springs. I just wondered if this was normal. The lf and rr become pre-losded to get both rear tires the same weight.

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With out any pre-load, the rr is about 150# lighter than the lr.I have to adjust the lf up to get the lr and rr the same. I have ss 02/03 springs. I just wondered if this was normal. The lf and rr become pre-losded to get both rear tires the same weight.




Yes its somewhat normal to jack up the LF to get the
weight over to the RR... your RR should be close to
the LR or even slightly more to correct for the torque
so it drives out straight

Re: corner weights [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1588146
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Thanks.

Re: corner weights [Re: MR_P_BODY] #1588147
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With out any pre-load, the rr is about 150# lighter than the lr.I have to adjust the lf up to get the lr and rr the same. I have ss 02/03 springs. I just wondered if this was normal. The lf and rr become pre-losded to get both rear tires the same weight.




Yes its somewhat normal to jack up the LF to get the
weight over to the RR... your RR should be close to
the LR or even slightly more to correct for the torque
so it drives out straight





Why is this? Doesn't the car naturally torque it's self over?


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You really have to be careful with that. Ideally you would want a front to rear 45/55% bias with 1-2% more on the LF over RF. But….that is in a perfect world with a square chassis.

Regarding individual corner weights; I have worked on cars that you cannot set up neutral (the very perfect set up) and in some cases the conventionally accepted amounts of preload was not even achievable.

One in particular literally needed wedge – this is not to be confused with preload. But with enough experimentation (by someone else- as I refuse to half ass [Edited by Moparts - Family Friendly Site - Keep it clean]) the car goes straight and even has some wins.

Due to that PITA, I no longer tune chassis’ that I didn’t build or have absolute confidence in the crafter whom did.

So long story short – don’t scale it and expect it to be spot on, specifically if you are not sure about the chassis geometry or flex that could occur.

Re: corner weights [Re: 1967dartgt] #1588149
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You can always cross jack weight. But beware. When the front wheels are off the ground all the weight you just moved has gone out the window. Getting the cross weight equal on a factory style door car is tough. The larger the driver the harder it is. This is what my 64 Belvedere weighs. I worked hard to mount components on the right side of the car.
Weight w/185 lb driver
3313
LF 926 RF 878
LR 745 RR 764
Front 1804 lbs 54.5%
Rear 1509 lbs 45.6%
Right 1642 lbs 49.5%
Left 1671 lbs 50.5%
Diagonal
Cross 1623 lbs 49%

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My cars overall weight is 3188 with driver. Your weight percentages are real close to mine. I am real close according to your weight percentages. Thanks.

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You can always cross jack weight. But beware. When the front wheels are off the ground all the weight you just moved has gone out the window. Getting the cross weight equal on a factory style door car is tough. The larger the driver the harder it is. This is what my 64 Belvedere weighs. I worked hard to mount components on the right side of the car.
Weight w/185 lb driver
3313
LF 926 RF 878
LR 745 RR 764
Front 1804 lbs 54.5%
Rear 1509 lbs 45.6%
Right 1642 lbs 49.5%
Left 1671 lbs 50.5%
Diagonal
Cross 1623 lbs 49%




But also Doug , tell him you run a ladder bar...
makes a difference over SS springs

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With out any pre-load, the rr is about 150# lighter than the lr.I have to adjust the lf up to get the lr and rr the same. I have ss 02/03 springs. I just wondered if this was normal. The lf and rr become pre-losded to get both rear tires the same weight.




Yes its somewhat normal to jack up the LF to get the
weight over to the RR... your RR should be close to
the LR or even slightly more to correct for the torque
so it drives out straight





Why is this? Doesn't the car naturally torque it's self over?




The rear end is trying to roll up around the drive
shaft which lowers the body on the right(really the
RR tire is trying to go up) so you need the added
weight on the RR to counter this.... if you look
at my slicks you can see it a bit... the RR tire isnt
squatted as much as the LR.. thats the rear end trying
to roll up... thats with 15# extra on the RR so it
drives out straight

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The rear end is trying to roll up around the drive
shaft which lowers the body on the right(really the
RR tire is trying to go up) so you need the added
weight on the RR to counter this.... if you look
at my slicks you can see it a bit... the RR tire isnt
squatted as much as the LR.. thats the rear end trying
to roll up... thats with 15# extra on the RR so it
drives out straight



John Dianna told me years ago to shoot for 20 to 30 lbs more on the RR compared to the LR on a ladder bar car My thinking is try things and find out what works for you, Not every thing works on every car all the time and exactly the same


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The rear end is trying to roll up around the drive
shaft which lowers the body on the right(really the
RR tire is trying to go up) so you need the added
weight on the RR to counter this.... if you look
at my slicks you can see it a bit... the RR tire isnt
squatted as much as the LR.. thats the rear end trying
to roll up... thats with 15# extra on the RR so it
drives out straight



John Dianna told me years ago to shoot for 20 to 30 lbs more on the RR compared to the LR on a ladder bar car My thinking is try things and find out what works for you, Not every thing works on every car all the time and exactly the same




Also don't forget to take one of the bolts out at the housing on a ladder bar car so when you jack the weight it won't bind. If leaf springs it won't matter.

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If your car is left side heavy, like mine, the numbers will look odd. If the car is 3,000 total, but 1550 on the drivers side, and 1450 on the passenger side, then 50/50 front rear would look like this to me.
lf775 rf 725

lr775 rr 725
With these numbers, you are 50 percent front rear when looking at it by each side.
with 20 bls added for pre load, it would look like this
lf 795 rf 705

lr 755 rr 795
I don't claim to be ab expert, but it would make sence to look at the percentages side to side Vs just corner weights.


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If your car is left side heavy, like mine, the numbers will look odd. If the car is 3,000 total, but 1550 on the drivers side, and 1450 on the passenger side, then 50/50 front rear would look like this to me.
lf775 rf 725

lr775 rr 725
With these numbers, you are 50 percent front rear when looking at it by each side.
with 20 bls added for pre load, it would look like this
lf 795 rf 705

lr 755 rr 795
I don't claim to be ab expert, but it would make sence to look at the percentages side to side Vs just corner weights.





Now do you still run with the extra weight with a anti roll bar?


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If your car is left side heavy, like mine, the numbers will look odd. If the car is 3,000 total, but 1550 on the drivers side, and 1450 on the passenger side, then 50/50 front rear would look like this to me.
lf775 rf 725

lr775 rr 725
With these numbers, you are 50 percent front rear when looking at it by each side.
with 20 bls added for pre load, it would look like this
lf 795 rf 705

lr 755 rr 795
I don't claim to be ab expert, but it would make sence to look at the percentages side to side Vs just corner weights.





Now do you still run with the extra weight with a anti roll bar?




You attach the anti roll last so there isnt any load
on it... that should be neutral

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Yes arb neutral, but would you still want the weight heavier on right. You know have a bar loading your rear tires equal.


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Yes arb neutral, but would you still want the weight heavier on right. You know have a bar loading your rear tires equal.




Yes the right ladder bar is loading heavier but that
doent mean that its carried over to the ARB... it
would the same as not running a ARB

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Last year I ran a "baby motor 383" that Thumper accused me of, so this year b1 polara let me borrow a .030 440. This put an extra 90#s on the front end and screwed up my counter weights.Brian "72 cuda" told me about adding an extra leaf to the right rear, and more weight was on the right rear as a result. Last year, I pre- loaded the lf and rr and the car ran straight and picked up my 60 foots to consistent 1.50s. I took off 90# from the rear for ballast not considering the extra weight the 440 has. With the 383 I had a 48/52 weight difference, and the 440 has a 54/46.







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