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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: 1320Dart] #1583561
06/02/14 08:05 PM
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I talked to KB at 6PM mountain time on Friday(May 30th). He told me he would go to the foundry Monday morning and pick my block up personally. He said my block will be done in two weeks. How is that even possible, when the normal time is 12 weeks from the time you place your order?




only thing I can figure is he's probably reading this thread and going to move you to the front of the line




WEll then, it might be best if I refrain from any further comments until after OP gets his finished block.




Comment away!!!




Don't say you weren't warned.

If KB is monitoring this thread, they will soon figure out by creating a stink ( well desrerved) online, one can get moved to the front of the line, not a good thing for them as everyone will soon make all their beefs public, especially when for years the buyers have patiently IMo waited 6? months, when to everyone's suprise, if you can get someone to simply drive over and pick up the casted block, they can machine it in 2 weeks, which also IMO, makes KB look unfavorable, because if it can be done this quick, why the long history of 6 month waits?

Hope your block shows up before they read this.


Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: jcc] #1583562
06/02/14 08:18 PM
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Ken is a member here so I'm sure he stops in once in awhile. Trust me that when you see the finished product you will be quit pleased.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: pittsburghracer] #1583563
06/02/14 09:21 PM
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Good Luck with your build! Now with that light front end and good traction you might do this...
This is about the 10th pass on my 572 from last weekend, clicked the 60' with the rear ...

Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: Keith Richards] #1583564
06/03/14 03:47 AM
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I have a very old KB water block, and a Indy Maxx block.

Ken has been very easy to talk with, and has been helpful on my ancient block. But as much as you have to like him, it can be #$%$@ chapping to actually complete a transaction. When I needed 1 sleeve, I heard many stories, but no sleeve for 4-5 months. I know for a fact that he comes on here, because when I came on here about this time last year asking for an alternate sleeve source, he called me that afternoon!

And....walla...a sleeve soon appeared at my door.

But I have to say...Ken, you're only hurting yourself?

People want to give you their money! So you can make a profit!

It falls on you to make things happen. When they don't, it won't matter how nice a guy you are. Your business will fail. And frankly, we need you. The market is a cruel mistress.

I personally have no clue why the story is always long delays, but at some point, there needs to be supply. I hope you can get it done!


RIP

Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: Keith Richards] #1583565
06/03/14 04:08 AM
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Good Luck with your build! Now with that light front end and good traction you might do this...
This is about the 10th pass on my 572 from last weekend, clicked the 60' with the rear ...



Time for a set of wheelie bars Keith!
Nice to see the car still works good.

Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: jcc] #1583566
06/03/14 09:04 AM
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UPDATE:
I talked to KB at 6PM mountain time on Friday(May 30th). He told me he would go to the foundry Monday morning and pick my block up personally. He said my block will be done in two weeks. How is that even possible, when the normal time is 12 weeks from the time you place your order?




only thing I can figure is he's probably reading this thread and going to move you to the front of the line




WEll then, it might be best if I refrain from any further comments until after OP gets his finished block.




Comment away!!!




Don't say you weren't warned.

If KB is monitoring this thread, they will soon figure out by creating a stink ( well desrerved) online, one can get moved to the front of the line, not a good thing for them as everyone will soon make all their beefs public, especially when for years the buyers have patiently IMo waited 6? months, when to everyone's suprise, if you can get someone to simply drive over and pick up the casted block, they can machine it in 2 weeks, which also IMO, makes KB look unfavorable, because if it can be done this quick, why the long history of 6 month waits?

Hope your block shows up before they read this.




I agree with what you are saying. BUT I was quoted 12 weeks for my block. I know other people on here ordered their blocks with in a month of mine. They were told that their block is done and waiting for sleeves. Mine isn't even done from the foundry? Where was my Phone call saying it wasn't done and would take a bit longer?
I was told, when I ordered the block, that there were blocks being delivered from the foundry at the moment I made my order and that he was putting my name one one of them. I'm very disappointed! My dream was always to have a KB block. It wasn't supposed to turn out like this.
That being said, I'm sure this will push me past my deadline to have my motor together to make a certain race. I'ts going to take longer than two weeks I'm sure. Plus I don't want something they've hurried thru either!
I've started returning sponsorship monies to the sponsors I had on bored. That has made me look bad I'm sure.
WHAT A FRIGGIN DISASTER!


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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: Keith Richards] #1583567
06/03/14 09:10 AM
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Good Luck with your build! Now with that light front end and good traction you might do this...
This is about the 10th pass on my 572 from last weekend, clicked the 60' with the rear ...




Could you tell me more about your build please? But find my post "Requesting guidance on a new build.... " I don't want to get accused of high jacking a post again.


Greg

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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: 1320Dart] #1583568
06/03/14 01:58 PM
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UPDATE:
I talked to KB at 6PM mountain time on Friday(May 30th). He told me he would go to the foundry Monday morning and pick my block up personally. He said my block will be done in two weeks. How is that even possible, when the normal time is 12 weeks from the time you place your order?




Hey Guess What?!?!?!
Still no call from Ken to tell me if he picked the block up or not.


Greg

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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: 1320Dart] #1583569
06/03/14 02:04 PM
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I know you want a KB block, but if you are tried of waiting, i have a new world block sitting in my spare bedroom and I could have it on a truck by this weekend. just something to consider.

Joe


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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: sr4440] #1583570
06/03/14 02:18 PM
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Reading the last post, I was struck by how alike gearheads think. "Gee, new block, where should I put it? SPARE BEDROOM!"

R.

Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: 1320Dart] #1583571
06/03/14 04:30 PM
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I'm absolutely frigging speechless!!! I just got off the phone with Ken Black not even five minutes ago. I put my order and money in for a new block January 20th. I was quoted 12 weeks. I haven't heard a word. So I thought I'd give him a call. He just told me that my block hasn't even left the foundry yet!!!!!!!


I am in almost the exact same situation. I ordered mine Jan 17 (with 1/2 deposit) after several weeks of discussing details/options with him. He assured me of 12-13 weeks and the delivery problems were behind him. He even pulled the head studs for my build (Indy 440-1 heads).

I talk to him every 3 weeks...
In April he said the block had finished heat treatment and was ready to pickup at the foundary. 3 more weeks to machine (including gun drill for pushrod/lifter oiling).
I just got off the phone and he said the block had a porosity issue near the water pump area. So they recast the block (low deck) and it should be ready for him to pickup up at the foundary this week. He said he will call me back this afternoon to confirm foundary pickup date.

Disappointing...
The only thing worse would be if they shipped me a finished block with the porosity issue.

Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: 440Jim] #1583572
06/03/14 04:40 PM
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I have heard lots of people having problem with porosity from foundry or foundries down in the LA area. I have friends that race fast VW’s 8-7 second air cooled deals and their parts are having the same problems with porosity (the foundry). It sucks that you guys are going through this but at least Ken didn’t send you a block that had problems.

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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: 440Jim] #1583573
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I'm absolutely frigging speechless!!! I just got off the phone with Ken Black not even five minutes ago. I put my order and money in for a new block January 20th. I was quoted 12 weeks. I haven't heard a word. So I thought I'd give him a call. He just told me that my block hasn't even left the foundry yet!!!!!!!


I am in almost the exact same situation. I ordered mine Jan 17 (with 1/2 deposit) after several weeks of discussing details/options with him. He assured me of 12-13 weeks and the delivery problems were behind him. He even pulled the head studs for my build (Indy 440-1 heads).

I talk to him every 3 weeks...
In April he said the block had finished heat treatment and was ready to pickup at the foundary. 3 more weeks to machine (including gun drill for pushrod/lifter oiling).
I just got off the phone and he said the block had a porosity issue near the water pump area. So they recast the block (low deck) and it should be ready for him to pickup up at the foundary this week. He said he will call me back this afternoon to confirm foundary pickup date.

Disappointing...
The only thing worse would be if they shipped me a finished block with the porosity issue.




I'm very happy to hear they caught that issue for you. I'd have an aneurysm if that happened.
But for me, all he would have to have done was to keep me up to date. I shouldn't have to constantly call him for updates. If there was a foundry issue or the sleeve manufacturer was behind etc..., he should have been right on the phone with me letting me know.


Greg

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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: Biginchmopar] #1583574
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I have heard lots of people having problem with porosity from foundry or foundries down in the LA area. I have friends that race fast VW’s 8-7 second air cooled deals and their parts are having the same problems with porosity (the foundry). It sucks that you guys are going through this but at least Ken didn’t send you a block that had problems.





I do agree.


Greg

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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: 1320Dart] #1583575
06/03/14 05:46 PM
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My back-up spare Keith Black block arrived today and am I ever pleased. Ordered it March 32nd so that's pretty quick. Scrubbing it down tonight and should be ready for the dyno by Sunday.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: pittsburghracer] #1583576
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Repairs and new castings are a different beast for sure...No money is laid out in the repair of the old blocks other than internal labor.

Ya know you hear lots of rumors in this sport/hobby/business and I have found most end up being fairly factual in the end.

I hope everyone with one on order receives it. I know they will be happy with the quality once they do. As I said before just be honest and up front about any and all issues. Afterall there must be a reason you need to put down money up front....


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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: pittsburghracer] #1583577
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My back-up spare Keith Black block arrived today and am I ever pleased. Ordered it March 32nd so that's pretty quick. Scrubbing it down tonight and should be ready for the dyno by Sunday.




What all did you have done to your block? if you don't mind me asking..


Greg

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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: 1320Dart] #1583578
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My back-up spare Keith Black block arrived today and am I ever pleased. Ordered it March 32nd so that's pretty quick. Scrubbing it down tonight and should be ready for the dyno by Sunday.




What all did you have done to your block? if you don't mind me asking..





There are only 31 days in March so I thought I would lighten up the atmosphere around here. Like I said earlier I knew going into this there would be a waiting period so I ran my 500 cube engine in the car till I had my 572 ready. Never missed a beat that way. Mine is sitting on the engine stand while I have some fun with my 408 in the Duster, then it will be put to use. The only thing I was sorry about not getting when I ordered it was drilled for push-rod oiling for my individual T&D rockers. I had Tom Hemphill do it for me and it turned out very nice.


1970 Duster
Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

Livin and lovin life one day at a time




Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: pittsburghracer] #1583579
06/03/14 07:35 PM
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My back-up spare Keith Black block arrived today and am I ever pleased. Ordered it March 32nd so that's pretty quick. Scrubbing it down tonight and should be ready for the dyno by Sunday.




What all did you have done to your block? if you don't mind me asking..





There are only 31 days in March so I thought I would lighten up the atmosphere around here. Like I said earlier I knew going into this there would be a waiting period so I ran my 500 cube engine in the car till I had my 572 ready. Never missed a beat that way. Mine is sitting on the engine stand while I have some fun with my 408 in the Duster, then it will be put to use. The only thing I was sorry about not getting when I ordered it was drilled for push-rod oiling for my individual T&D rockers. I had Tom Hemphill do it for me and it turned out very nice.




I was trying to hint at the time frame. but it didn't come out like it did in my tiny brain
ha ha ha


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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience [Re: 440Jim] #1583580
06/04/14 07:23 AM
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I'm absolutely frigging speechless!!! I just got off the phone with Ken Black not even five minutes ago. I put my order and money in for a new block January 20th. I was quoted 12 weeks. I haven't heard a word. So I thought I'd give him a call. He just told me that my block hasn't even left the foundry yet!!!!!!!


I am in almost the exact same situation. I ordered mine Jan 17 (with 1/2 deposit) after several weeks of discussing details/options with him. He assured me of 12-13 weeks and the delivery problems were behind him. He even pulled the head studs for my build (Indy 440-1 heads).

I talk to him every 3 weeks...
In April he said the block had finished heat treatment and was ready to pickup at the foundary. 3 more weeks to machine (including gun drill for pushrod/lifter oiling).
I just got off the phone and he said the block had a porosity issue near the water pump area. So they recast the block (low deck) and it should be ready for him to pickup up at the foundary this week. He said he will call me back this afternoon to confirm foundary pickup date.

Disappointing...
The only thing worse would be if they shipped me a finished block with the porosity issue.




When I called Ken to ask him about my block, I heard about yours. Do you have any new updates?


Greg

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