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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience
[Re: 1320Dart]
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05/29/14 09:37 AM
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Just my  But I'd rather them take a little longer, and it be right, that hurry thru it and get someone else's block (not literally). Hopefully you get what I mean.
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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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05/29/14 10:01 AM
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Ya lets all bad mouth Keith Black Racing so they too leave the market place. So what you have to plan ahead to get the best. If I remember right when I got my block I paid half upfront and half when it was finished but its been awhile. Thanks KB for making it thru some tough years. 
I have 2 KB cast blocks and there's nothing wrong with them and have gone just as fast with them.
But I must say the best is a BAE billet block, just so you know.
KB cast low deck 451".
BAE billet block and heads.
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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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05/29/14 03:07 PM
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Ya lets all bad mouth Keith Black Racing so they too leave the market place. So what you have to plan ahead to get the best. If I remember right when I got my block I paid half upfront and half when it was finished but its been awhile. Thanks KB for making it thru some tough years.
That's not the issue..........The issue is excuse after excuse, with customer after customer, just like this thread and many others just like it. If it is going to take 6 months to do a block, FINE, just TELL me that. But don't tell me it will be ready in two weeks and then 3 months later it is still not ready.
Monte
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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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05/29/14 03:52 PM
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I agree there can be vendor issues etc. HOWEVER when it is the same or similar story repeatedly to carious people it makes me think there may be a deeper issue. As Monte said if it will be 6 months just tell me up front. I just purchased a new block for my new build and it was from another vendor and got here when promised and very quickly.
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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience
[Re: pittsburghracer]
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05/29/14 05:03 PM
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Ya lets all bad mouth Keith Black Racing so they too leave the market place. So what you have to plan ahead to get the best. If I remember right when I got my block I paid half upfront and half when it was finished but its been awhile. Thanks KB for making it thru some tough years.
That's not the issue..........The issue is excuse after excuse, with customer after customer, just like this thread and many others just like it. If it is going to take 6 months to do a block, FINE, just TELL me that. But don't tell me it will be ready in two weeks and then 3 months later it is still not ready.
Monte
Sometimes the vendors we deal with have other vendors they deal with and sometimes YOU cannot control delivery of said products. I dough every single item is made in-house. I guess from reading said deliver times I stepped up my program so I ordered my block after the season ended instead of waiting till early in the next year. Thanks again KB for making my wait worth while. 
I have heard the "waiting on sleeves" excuse many times in the past.
And there was a time when sleeves were hard to get in the past.
But when I ordered them from darton I got them pretty dang quick, way less than a month.
Last time I checked BAE had all this stuff in stock.
To the OP, don't forget to get yourself a sleeve puller so when you burn a piston you can replace the sleeve and piston at the track and keep on racing.
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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience
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05/29/14 06:33 PM
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To the OP, don't forget to get yourself a sleeve puller so when you burn a piston you can replace the sleeve and piston at the track and keep on racing.
wow, how do you replace a sleeve at the track? 
putting in a sleeve seems like a lot of specific, detailed machine work, not to mention honing. do you pre hone the sleeves?
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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience
[Re: mickm]
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05/29/14 06:43 PM
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To the OP, don't forget to get yourself a sleeve puller so when you burn a piston you can replace the sleeve and piston at the track and keep on racing.
wow, how do you replace a sleeve at the track?
putting in a sleeve seems like a lot of specific, detailed machine work, not to mention honing. do you pre hone the sleeves?
Yes, it's not rocket science. Match a piston to a sleeve ahead of time. Just hard work and you beat the replacement sleeve back in with BFH and heavy steel plate. The flats on the sleeves determine if it's in right.  No machine work needed.
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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience
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05/29/14 07:55 PM
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wow, how do you replace a sleeve at the track?
putting in a sleeve seems like a lot of specific, detailed machine work, not to mention honing. do you pre hone the sleeves?
Yes, it's not rocket science. Match a piston to a sleeve ahead of time. Just hard work and you beat the replacement sleeve back in with BFH and heavy steel plate. The flats on the sleeves determine if it's in right. No machine work needed.
makes sense, but i never would have thought it could be done that easily…
nice to know!
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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience
[Re: mickm]
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05/29/14 09:55 PM
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wow, how do you replace a sleeve at the track?
putting in a sleeve seems like a lot of specific, detailed machine work, not to mention honing. do you pre hone the sleeves?
Yes, it's not rocket science. Match a piston to a sleeve ahead of time. Just hard work and you beat the replacement sleeve back in with BFH and heavy steel plate. The flats on the sleeves determine if it's in right. No machine work needed.
makes sense, but i never would have thought it could be done that easily…
nice to know!
he forgot to mention he runs .009- .010 piston to wall 
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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience
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05/30/14 12:05 AM
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wow, how do you replace a sleeve at the track?
putting in a sleeve seems like a lot of specific, detailed machine work, not to mention honing. do you pre hone the sleeves?
Yes, it's not rocket science. Match a piston to a sleeve ahead of time. Just hard work and you beat the replacement sleeve back in with BFH and heavy steel plate. The flats on the sleeves determine if it's in right. No machine work needed.
makes sense, but i never would have thought it could be done that easily…
nice to know!
he forgot to mention he runs .009- .010 piston to wall
And I think he had some trained helpers too. 
And if my motor needs that much help I put it in the box and have a 
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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience
[Re: Biginchmopar]
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05/30/14 11:48 AM
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Instead of calling a BAE billet "the best" I would call it unusable for the OP's application. I would call a KB "the best".
Altho you can pull the sleeves out of a top fuel hemi at the track with a sleeve puller, you might want to eat your Wheaties before you try that on a street hemi block.
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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience
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05/30/14 11:55 AM
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I heat the block with my propane forced air heater for 20 minutes, slide the old one out snd send the chilled new one in. I still need to make the hole round after though
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Re: Keith Black Aluminum block ordering experience
[Re: bigtimeauto]
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05/30/14 02:16 PM
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I heat the block with my propane forced air heater for 20 minutes, slide the old one out snd send the chilled new one in. I still need to make the hole round after though
If the sleeve is junk, which obviously it is if you are removing it..........weld a piece of 1" angle iron about 6" long in the sleeve. Weld up both sides with a wire welder. When you turn the block over, the sleeve FALLS out. I personally don't like to heat the block much, unless I am taking ALL the sleeves out. In that case we have an old commercial oven that will hold a block. A few minutes on "BAKE" and they fall out easily.............lol
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