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Re: turbo carbon seal.HELP!
[Re: Clanton]
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02/19/14 12:25 PM
02/19/14 12:25 PM
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Marion, South Carolina [><]
an8sec70cuda
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I can't drive my car like it is on the street and I am looking at that more all the time.
Why not?
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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: turbo carbon seal.HELP!
[Re: Clanton]
#1580887
02/19/14 02:30 PM
02/19/14 02:30 PM
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MD-USA
Dodgeguy101
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The obstruction sticking out of the hood!Laws against it.
When you take that obstruction off, let me know, I'll take it to the junk yard for you. 
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Re: turbo carbon seal.HELP!
[Re: Clanton]
#1580889
02/19/14 03:58 PM
02/19/14 03:58 PM
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SLOW67
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I just talked to turbonetics and the largest turbo I can get is a to4E 60 for 800hp max falling short of my 1,000 to 1200 hp goal.
Switch to blowthru and problem solved 
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Re: turbo carbon seal.HELP!
[Re: FastmOp]
#1580892
02/19/14 05:35 PM
02/19/14 05:35 PM
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northern,Ohio,USA
Clanton
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Get two turbos for a hot air turbo Buick. 1981 were hot air cars. I think some of the late 70's trans AMs were hot air as well.
You want to make big power but will never make it with your approach.
You could do a single 88 and blow thru and accomplish your goals.
You know how to make headers now and you ain't scared to spend the $$. I would think you would want the HP without the hassle.
i don't have to make big power but ya gotta start somewhere.You must understand that my goal is for a draw thru not a blow thru good bad or other I am finding what the limits are and go from there.
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Re: turbo carbon seal.HELP!
[Re: Clanton]
#1580895
02/20/14 02:16 AM
02/20/14 02:16 AM
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SLOW67
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I guess a Chevrolet guy might ask the same thing,Why a MOPAR?
To each his own...good luck with it
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Re: turbo carbon seal.HELP!
[Re: Clanton]
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02/20/14 02:22 AM
02/20/14 02:22 AM
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You are obviously set on a draw thru. Just get the biggest offerings and live with what you end up with. Looks seem more important than function here anyway. If you like the look of a draw thru system, then you need to be prepared for all the down sides that go with it. The less than stellar all out performance goes hand in hand with very poor cold start, laggy spool up, poor cyl to cyl distribution, detonation, explosive boost tubes, etc...
I've gone this route, and believe me, it aint worth the hassle if power is what you're after. For cruise nights or whatever it looks kinda cool, but than you have to come up with a long list of excuses to tell the guys that want to race you.
"use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"
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Re: turbo carbon seal.HELP!
[Re: TRENDZ]
#1580897
02/20/14 02:46 AM
02/20/14 02:46 AM
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You are obviously set on a draw thru. Just get the biggest offerings and live with what you end up with. Looks seem more important than function here anyway. If you like the look of a draw thru system, then you need to be prepared for all the down sides that go with it. The less than stellar all out performance goes hand in hand with very poor cold start, laggy spool up, poor cyl to cyl distribution, detonation, explosive boost tubes, etc...
I've gone this route, and believe me, it aint worth the hassle if power is what you're after. For cruise nights or whatever it looks kinda cool, but than you have to come up with a long list of excuses to tell the guys that want to race you.
I was curious about how distribution and over all atomization would be this way. Looks like it would be terribly inefficient especially at low rpm. Seems like a very fine line between fuel puddling and going lean. I'm sure an intercooler would further complicate things?
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Re: turbo carbon seal.HELP!
[Re: SLOW67]
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02/20/14 11:21 AM
02/20/14 11:21 AM
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Dirty Dena, Maryland
dodge turbo
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I'd say the same thing everyone else is saying, good luck, its such old technology and you will never make huge power and the driveablity is gonna suck. That being said, i know the older VW crowd still uses drawthru stuff, you may wanna hop on there forums and see who they use for those seals. Even the "dung beetle" on street outlaws was draw through, tiny turbo on it but draw through. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gsqQG_bKiA
Last edited by dodge turbo; 02/20/14 11:23 AM.
78 Adventurer 150small block turbo'd 360w/Borg S475....smoke'em
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Re: turbo carbon seal.HELP!
[Re: Clanton]
#1580901
02/20/14 09:29 PM
02/20/14 09:29 PM
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SLOW67
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I understand there are draw backs and yes it may be more for looks than function and limited in output by turbo size.I have seen video of some nice running boats with this.
Boats are also almost always under load at a constant or close to constant rpm....
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Re: turbo carbon seal.HELP!
[Re: Clanton]
#1580902
02/21/14 04:21 PM
02/21/14 04:21 PM
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Milwaukee WI
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I just talked to turbonetics and the largest turbo I can get is a to4E 60 for 800hp max falling short of my 1,000 to 1200 hp goal.
Turbonetics lists all of thier t series turbos are available with carbon seals. This includes turbos that are rated at 950 hp each(t76)
This is from the catalog:
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EXCLUSIVE - “T-SERIES”
COMPETITION TURBOCHARGERS!
Compressor Maps
Compressor Wheels/Housings
T-Series Compressor Section
Ceramic Ball Bearing Option
Backplates
Bearing Housings
Turbine Housings
NOW AVAILABLE WITH THE EXCLUSIVE
TURBONETICS’ CERAMIC BALL-BEARING OPTION
For serious competitors only! - TURBONETICS offers custom matched and custom built turbochargers designed to get you across the finish line first! Designated the “T-SERIES”, this turbo family incorporates the latest “STATE-OF-THE-ART” turbocharger aerodynamics and the toughest durability available to the maximum performance engine builder.
With a wide range of flow capacities (TSO4, T61, T64, T66, T70, T72 and T76) capable of supporting 500 to 950 HP with a single turbo, the "T-SERIES" is the only true custom turbo family designed exclusively for racing applications!
All “T-SERIES” turbos are custom built to your specific application and include the TURBONETICS “Tuff-Turbo” option. Dynamic seal is standard but, new carbon seal configurations are now available (see below). Your choice of O or P trim turbine; .58, .69, .81 or .96 A/R "on-center" and a full range of tangential style turbine housings are optional. “Q” trim and the exclusive TURBONETICS’ CERAMIC BALL-BEARING option are also available.
NOTE: For increased durability, 360' Thrust Bearings are a standard component on all "T" Series turbochargers !
Carbon Seals Available
All Standard and "Big Shaft" Ceramic Ball-Bearing turbochargers are now available with Carbon Seals! Exressly intended for draw-through (i.e.: carbureted) applications,TURBONETICS now has the capabilitiy of producing Carbon-Sealed versions of all of your Ceramic Ball-Bearing turbochargers except the "Thumper Series". Turbo selection is no longer limited to early TO4B and Rajay configurations. Now you can step up to the turbo that's right for your application without compromise!
PART # DESCRIPTION PRICE
JA-CHRA T-SERIES CHRA ASSY. (Except T-76) Call
JA-TURBO T-SERIES TURBO ASSY. (Except T-76) Call
JB-CHRA T-SERIES CHRA ASSY. W/Q-TRIM (Except T-76) Call
JB-TURBO T-SERIES TURBO ASSY. W/Q-TRIM (Except T-76) Call
JC-CHRA T-SERIES CHRA ASSY. - BALL BRG. (Except T-76) Call
JC-TURBO T-SERIES TURBO ASSY. - BALL BRG. (Except T-76) Call
JD-CHRA T-SERIES CHRA ASSY. W/Q-TRIM - BALL BRG. (Except T-76) Call
JD-TURBO T-SERIES TURBO ASSY. W/Q-TRIM - BALL BRG. (Except T-76) Call
TURBOCHARGER OPTIONS
10610 PERMACOAT COLOR OPTION, COMPRESSOR HOUSING Call
10680 T SERIES POLISHED COMPRESSOR HOUSING OPTION Call
CERAMIC TURBINE HOUSING COATING Call
Updated on February 15, 2008
"use it 'till it breaks, replace as needed"
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