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Re: Hemi street solid roller
[Re: DaveRS23]
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02/19/14 01:46 PM
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I am looking, but I cannot find the spec. I am sure Rich knows.
I would guess about .045". That is a guess. I haven't looked at it in a long time.
1996 Ram 1500 Sport
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Re: Hemi street solid roller
[Re: Dragula]
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02/19/14 03:58 PM
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So you use bronze guides in the lifter bores to restrict the oil flow to the oil thru lifter, correct?...Wonder what that little operation costs. Would not just switching to the oil feed lifters work?
Drilled lifter bushings is a leftover from my drag race days. The small hole in the bushing allows you to maintain oil pressure even if a lifter pops out. Also, there was a time when high lift cams exposed the stock oil galley so installing your own bushing with a small hole gives you control. Bushing lifter bores is a common practice.
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Re: Hemi street solid roller
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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02/19/14 04:08 PM
02/19/14 04:08 PM
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BTW...I do not have pushrod oiling and don't even have lifter oil galleys in my block (KB).
I've freshened the motor up twice since 2006. Put new valve springs on both times just for peace of mind. Sent the lifters back to Isky and they haven't needed a thing yet.
Ken Black offers gun drilling to get oil to the lifters, but it was not really necessary in a race engine. BAE and top fuelers don't use oil galleys either. Everybody figured the splash would take care of it, and it works quite well with RPM as long as you don't have a lot of spring pressure and you don't idle for long periods. And some rocker arms are just crap when it comes to getting oil where it needs to be.
If I build a KB solid roller HEMI that is going to sit in long lines or worse yet, a parade, I ALWAYS get oil to the pushrod cups or things will start to burn up.
BTW: I'm on vacation so ... I'm outa here !!! See Ya.
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Re: Hemi street solid roller
[Re: Mopar_Rich]
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02/20/14 01:00 AM
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Good input fellas...here are the spex as promised : Lift: .752" int/ .684" exh Dur @ .050" : 270 int /280 exh Lobe sep: 112 Lifters: Isky Red Zone EZ Roll Xreme solid axle rollers (ouch) Rockers: Stage V Heads: Indy 426-1 Springs: PAC 1247 310 seat / 830 open (see where Im coming from?) I asked Bullet to use lobes that don't have super aggressive ramps etc but as yet the engine is'nt in the car (been dynod though) Im prob over thinking it (read a lot of posts re smoked out pushrods with thru the deck oiling and killer springs) but I guess the purpose of the original post was to figure out what solid roller cams/specs Hemi guys are running and with what equipment/success. BUMP  
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Re: Hemi street solid roller
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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02/20/14 09:26 AM
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BTW...I do not have pushrod oiling and don't even have lifter oil galleys in my block (KB).
I've freshened the motor up twice since 2006. Put new valve springs on both times just for peace of mind. Sent the lifters back to Isky and they haven't needed a thing yet.
I have a similar setup, bushed lifter bores with no oil holes. How many miles have you put on since 06'?
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Re: Hemi street solid roller
[Re: Hemi ragtop]
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02/20/14 01:57 PM
02/20/14 01:57 PM
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BTW...I do not have pushrod oiling and don't even have lifter oil galleys in my block (KB).
I've freshened the motor up twice since 2006. Put new valve springs on both times just for peace of mind. Sent the lifters back to Isky and they haven't needed a thing yet.
I have a similar setup, bushed lifter bores with no oil holes. How many miles have you put on since 06'?
Somewhere around 5-6k miles and around 500 passes down the track. More street than strip time. It's obviously not my daily driver.
Ken Black told me when I ordered this block that when running solid lifters there was no need to have the lifter galleys drilled...even for a street car. Plenty of oil splashing around and draining back down.
Not saying extra oil there would be a bad thing at all, just not sure it is necessary. Maybe in the case of aggressive lobe profiles and/or rockers that don't oil well you'd have to have it.
I'm not being argumenative Rich, you have way more experience w/ this than I do, just repeating what I was told by KB. 
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'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Hemi street solid roller
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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02/20/14 10:04 PM
02/20/14 10:04 PM
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I am actually glad you started this post. I bought parts, new, never run, but with all the machine work already done. The parts came from a friend who actually knew the Ramchargers, the Kalita family etc as he grew up in Detroit right in the "day". He used Diamond to not only make the pistons, but do all the machine work. (remember Diamond Elkins?)
The Mega Block had all the lifter bores bushed with bronze. No oil holes were drilled into the galleys. I was hesitant to drill them, what size? what about the shavings? etc. so went with his advice and left them alone.
I have a 4,150lb Coronet convertible that I built to drive. I have always driven my cars, a 500 mile trip was no problem, even with a weekend of racing before returning home on the Interstate. The talk about lifter failure worried me.
I have a 4.5" stroke 540 ci HEMI. The cam is 248/254 @ .050 with .588/.573 NET lift solid roller on 112 lobe separation. This cam was chosen for it's tight lash, street calm profile and TORQUE! It hit 600 ft. lb. below 4,000 rpm. I have 2,300 street miles on it and find no issues with the valve train so far. The springs are 953-16 with under 500lb. at full lift. I don't know the brand of lifters, they were new and came with the package.
I am going to just keep and eye on everything and DRIVE IT!
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Re: Hemi street solid roller
[Re: Hemi ragtop]
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02/21/14 06:41 AM
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I have a 9.5-1 572 hemi, comp 959 springs, 250# seat pressure, 685# over the nose, crane 66550-16 lifters that are pushrod oiling, smith brothers pushrods and stage V roller lifters. Cam is 248 at .050 and .628 lift. 114 LSA. I worked with Chase Knight and Richard on the specs. Stands are the Dvorak which spread out the rocker shafts .060 and raise the up the same amount. Dichelles shafts round out the combination. According to the specs from Richard's book, I should be around 650-700 hp on pump gas with a good idle. I wanted to try a 3-7,4-2 firing order swap but no one makes a core for a streetable cam, only race lifts. Hopefully someday I will get some time on it. Tim
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Re: Hemi street solid roller
[Re: LAD 524]
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02/21/14 10:15 PM
02/21/14 10:15 PM
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Good info - who here then is running into the high 600s/.700" + lift, what springs/oiling/lifter combo are you using and have you had any issues on the street?
I can tell you I never had any issues with my .640 lift roller on the street....My .730 lift was another story though...Keep it under .700. I prefer in the .650 range...
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Re: Hemi street solid roller
[Re: Dragula]
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02/22/14 10:41 AM
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I can tell you I never had any issues with my .640 lift roller on the street....My .730 lift was another story though...Keep it under .700. I prefer in the .650 range...
Hey Dragula - what springs are you running ie seat/on the nose OD, inst height etc ?
Thanx
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Re: Hemi street solid roller
[Re: mickm]
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02/22/14 11:28 PM
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just for the record:
solid roller, 248/255 .604/.582 at 112.0 lsa.
that's mild compared to what i've seen here, but still did 712 hp at 6000, and there was a little more there with further tuning.
Very head limited, the motor made 853hp@<5800 and 818ftlbs@<4800rpm.Dave
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Re: Hemi street solid roller
[Re: quickd100]
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02/23/14 02:39 AM
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just for the record:
solid roller, 248/255 .604/.582 at 112.0 lsa.
that's mild compared to what i've seen here, but still did 712 hp at 6000, and there was a little more there with further tuning.
Very head limited, the motor made [Email]853hp@<5800[/Email] and [Email]818ftlbs@<4800rpm.Dave[/Email]
doubt it's the heads. stage Vs ported by FHO. the intakes flow 435 or so. it's a 540, with about 10.25:1 compression. stage V intake with 2 edelbrocks. there was a little more there in tuning: timing and the A/F could have been tweaked a little. bigger cam would make a big difference...
i know you've posted it many times, but what is your setup?
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Re: Hemi street solid roller
[Re: LAD 524]
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02/23/14 03:40 AM
02/23/14 03:40 AM
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I can tell you I never had any issues with my .640 lift roller on the street....My .730 lift was another story though...Keep it under .700. I prefer in the .650 range...
Hey Dragula - what springs are you running ie seat/on the nose OD, inst height etc ?
Thanx
Mine are for the long valve Indy Hemi heads Pacalloy, and they had a bit of seat pressure. If you really need to know, I can dig the info up...
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Re: Hemi street solid roller
[Re: mickm]
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02/23/14 09:56 AM
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just for the record:
solid roller, 248/255 .604/.582 at 112.0 lsa.
that's mild compared to what i've seen here, but still did 712 hp at 6000, and there was a little more there with further tuning.
Very head limited, the motor made [Email]853hp@<5800[/Email] and [Email]818ftlbs@<4800rpm.Dave[/Email]
doubt it's the heads. stage Vs ported by FHO. the intakes flow 435 or so. it's a 540, with about 10.25:1 compression. stage V intake with 2 edelbrocks. there was a little more there in tuning: timing and the A/F could have been tweaked a little. bigger cam would make a big difference...
i know you've posted it many times, but what is your setup?
How many street miles do you have on it? Do you run splash or pressurized lifters? Do you oil through the head (stock) or pushrods? And are you concerned about lifter failure to the point of checking/rebuilding them every few thousand miles as has been suggested on here? Our engines are VERY similar as is the usage (street driven).
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