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General "no start" questions
#157351
11/26/08 03:20 PM
11/26/08 03:20 PM
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Byesville, Ohio
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Ok, this is a NON Mopar specific question, but I know I'll get an answer here - as my attempts at a brand specific forum have turned up little for me.
99' Grand Prix, 3100 engine. Car will only start when jumped. I have:
New battery (800 crank amps, Duralast)
alternator checked; charging just fine
starter taken off and checked; fine
checked for voltage at the solenoid on the starter when key is turned, checks out fine
took ground cable off, clean connector up
new neutral safety switch too
WHAT is wrong with this car??? Starter bad even though it worked on the test bench? I am just about ready to take it to the mechanic, which is a low in my book.
Thanks for any help.
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Re: General "no start" questions
[Re: mopar_man]
#157358
11/26/08 05:32 PM
11/26/08 05:32 PM
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Sorry should have been more clear, won't turn over. When I throw a set of jumper cables on, it'll turn over and fire right up. Runs fine too once it's going, but once it's off, gotta be jumped again. I took it out and drove about 20 miles on the interstate the other evening, tried to start it right after I turned it off, wouldn't turn over. I had Autozone (since I got the battery there) check the alternator, at idle it was putting out 13.5 - 14.0 volts.
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Re: General "no start" questions
[Re: Pacnorthcuda]
#157361
11/26/08 05:56 PM
11/26/08 05:56 PM
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I have full electronics. Lights, radio, etc all work with the car off and key in "run" position. When I hit the key, I get voltage at the solenoid on the starter. So it's getting signal to turn over. But it doesn't. I get a slight "click" from the fuse box area whenever I hit the start portion of the ignition, yet there doesn't seem to be an ignition relay there. I toss cables on the car, and it'll turn over, fire up, and continue to run. I didn't have a load test done to the battery.
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Re: General "no start" questions
[Re: dynorad]
#157363
11/29/08 01:46 PM
11/29/08 01:46 PM
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Update time, and more input needed. Battery is good. Tried a known good battery, responded the same. Also, tossed my battery in a friend's newer Silverado, turned it over with ease. So battery is not the issue. I double checked my voltages, the main power to starter 12V, 12v to the switched portion of the starter relay when key is turned to start. I took the starter out to test it again, can make it turn over if I hook it up to the battery directly. I am certain it is grounded well when it's bolted in place, I even hooked up an extra ground to try to test it, no luck. Other thoughts??? I'm about ready to go 
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Re: General "no start" questions
[Re: OzHemi]
#157367
11/29/08 01:58 PM
11/29/08 01:58 PM
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How are the battery cable ends on the car?
Could be a bad connection that by having the jumper cables hanging on them is helping it to get a better contact (for full starting current) or the wire itself perhaps ? 
 Take the bolts out of the cables, clean the pocket behind the bolt head, if there is more than one wire in the connection take them all apart & clean everything....I've had a few GM's have this sort of failure... 
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Re: General "no start" questions
[Re: Tomsecks]
#157368
11/29/08 01:59 PM
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I cleaned up the connections, so they are corrosion free and even put a little dielectric grease on them. The positive cable is wrapped in that plastic wrap stuff, so I can't see any visible defects.
Did you pull the bolt out or just clean the areas that are visable? Cause I've done that & still had a no start...
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Re: General "no start" questions
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
#157369
11/29/08 02:00 PM
11/29/08 02:00 PM
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Quote:
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How are the battery cable ends on the car?
Could be a bad connection that by having the jumper cables hanging on them is helping it to get a better contact (for full starting current) or the wire itself perhaps ?
Take the bolts out of the cables, clean the pocket behind the bolt head, if there is more than one wire in the connection take them all apart & clean everything....I've had a few GM's have this sort of failure...
Yep, forgot to mention the part about taking the bolt out and cleaning that too..One Camaro I had, couldn't get it figured out. In the end I just sliced away the plastic from around the terminal end in frustration and wire wheeled the end and bolt and other cable, and it worked perfectly after that..
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Re: General "no start" questions
[Re: 1_WILD_RT]
#157370
11/29/08 03:45 PM
11/29/08 03:45 PM
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Grand Rapids, MI
Jim L
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I cleaned up the connections, so they are corrosion free and even put a little dielectric grease on them. The positive cable is wrapped in that plastic wrap stuff, so I can't see any visible defects.
Did you pull the bolt out or just clean the areas that are visable? Cause I've done that & still had a no start...
How did you add a jumper for the ground cable? Have you checked voltage drop between battery + and starter? It sounds like a cable issue. I recently had a new VW Beetle doing this same thing. It would show 12V at the starter in start, but a test light from battery negative to engine ground would also light up-obviously meaning a bad ground somewhere. With a jumper cable set, I hooked one cable from battery - to engine ground and it started. It would also start jumping engine ground to chassis ground-it had a bad ground strap from trans to chassis. You might want to recheck the cables, battery bolts, etc.
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