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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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Ok, I have to ask this, and I am not in position to race the top 10. But...... If this is about the top 10 street cars, and there is a 30 mile drive etc. to prove it, then why make rules about tire size, and frame type?  It sounds to me like the rules are being made to favor cars that fit these guidelines and not necessarily what cars would be the fastest of the top 10.  Mark
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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
[Re: Hemi Allstate]
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02/04/14 12:59 PM
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Ok, I have to ask this, and I am not in position to race the top 10.
But...... If this is about the top 10 street cars, and there is a 30 mile drive etc. to prove it, then why make rules about tire size, and frame type?
It sounds to me like the rules are being made to favor cars that fit these guidelines and not necessarily what cars would be the fastest of the top 10.
Mark
I agree. If it is legal by the law and makes the 30 mile (or however long it is) drive then it should be good to run.
Some, not all, rules are designed to keep the cars more street appearing. That will open a can of worms though b/c everyone's view of a street car is different.
Around here a lot of the 28" tire rules for street car races are to keep fox body mustangs w/ big tires out. It takes a decent amount of work to get a 29.5 under a fox body...and typically, a fox w/ that much tire under it will be a class killer.
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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
[Re: an8sec70cuda]
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02/04/14 01:13 PM
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Ok, I have to ask this, and I am not in position to race the top 10.
But...... If this is about the top 10 street cars, and there is a 30 mile drive etc. to prove it, then why make rules about tire size, and frame type?
It sounds to me like the rules are being made to favor cars that fit these guidelines and not necessarily what cars would be the fastest of the top 10.
Mark
I agree. If it is legal by the law and makes the 30 mile (or however long it is) drive then it should be good to run.
Some, not all, rules are designed to keep the cars more street appearing. That will open a can of worms though b/c everyone's view of a street car is different.
Around here a lot of the 28" tire rules for street car races are to keep fox body mustangs w/ big tires out. It takes a decent amount of work to get a 29.5 under a fox body...and typically, a fox w/ that much tire under it will be a class killer.
The race this weekend in Lakeland has no drive.....square tube chassis OK Round Tube is OUT....a certain little Purple Guy we all know was pitching a fit about the no-drive, but looks to be showing up anyway.....should be an interesting event....anyway we will see come Monday
Rickster
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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
[Re: rickstershemi]
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02/04/14 01:23 PM
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Some one here said that a tube chassis wouldnt pass their state rules... I dont know why... in the few states that I had to have state inspections done they never once looked at the chassis... my tube chassis Rampage is street legal here and is insured and licensed here in Mich... JMO but if its legal and can do the drive (if they have it) then any chassis and suspension should be allowed .... again ...JMO 
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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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02/04/14 01:28 PM
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Some one here said that a tube chassis wouldnt pass
their state rules... I dont know why... in the few
states that I had to have state inspections done they
never once looked at the chassis... my tube chassis
Rampage is street legal here and is insured and licensed
here in Mich... JMO but if its legal and can do the drive
(if they have it) then any chassis and suspension should
be allowed .... again ...JMO
Mike I'm sure a tube chassis car could get registered here in FL as well....I guess their just trying to keep these type of cars out of this program for whatever reason...???? It's their Rules....this race is getting a lot of attention....hopefully it flies and continues....we will have to see...????
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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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02/04/14 02:20 PM
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Sorry I live in Pa and actually have state inspections to pass, so you can't make anything street legal. That is all I stated never said tube chassis won't pass. But most tube chassis race car I know lack the propper lighting and wipers and exhaust to pass a pa inspection. There are three races being talked about here. Florida, Maryland, and mid west some where. The one I am in just has a tire rule with 29/10.5 slick or 30 inch radial. Tube chassis allowed with registration, insurance, tags and a inspection sticker. Must be able to complete a 30mile cruise and go straight to lanes for first round.
My junker has all those things needed to be legal,
lights(all of them), wipers, muffs, tags and insurance..
we dont have the inspection sticker anymore... but
this was eyeballed by the state troopers for safety
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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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02/04/14 02:20 PM
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Stock front rails but tube EVERYTHING else doesnt mean jack.
you would be correct, like i said, MOST of the street outlaws are certified race cars.
My 67 Dart is a certified race car by nhra, has sticker on cage and everything. It is stock frame rails, stock floor boards and stock suspension. So what does certified race car have to do with anything? And you said tube chassis!! Man your memory needs help.   
no you just beat around the bush, i think everyone can tell the difference between a tube chassis car and stock suspension. the top3 cars are tube chassis race cars no matter what you try to make them out to be. i am sure some of the other top 10 cars will be also
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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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02/04/14 02:31 PM
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There are exceptions and we all build our cars however we want. My car has a tube chassis, but all working lights, speedo, wipers, license, insurance, side exhaust. It seems in the interest of safety, better traction would be a good thing? Mark
1996 Ram 1500 Sport
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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
[Re: Hemi Allstate]
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02/04/14 03:30 PM
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There are exceptions and we all build our cars however we want.
My car has a tube chassis, but all working lights, speedo, wipers, license, insurance, side exhaust.
It seems in the interest of safety, better traction would be a good thing?
Mark [/quote
My reply was to quicktree who stated you can make any race car street legal. Which I replied I have a state inspection program and not every car could be done easily. Never stated you can't make a tube chassis street car. And according to quick tree tube chassis doesn't give you better traction. I agree a purpose built tube chassis car would be Safer a have the ability to hook up better.
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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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02/04/14 03:34 PM
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We no longer have a state inspection here.  Mark
1996 Ram 1500 Sport
1968 road runner
1952 Sears Allstate licensed, pump gas, Hemi 5.98 @ 115.73 1.33 60 ft. The best is yet to come. Painless Performance / Street RODDER magazine Top 100 for 2019
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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
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02/04/14 04:09 PM
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I sit here reading cry baby street car only car guys whine about what legal or not. WHO CARES. If it has a plate on it and can be driven on any state road its a street car. To bad it has round tube/square tube/front shock location /4 link/ 16 inch wide tires. Go to the track and race and if you can't keep up go home cry on the internet web sites on how unfair the race was.Thats just about what you guys do. The funny part is most don't have close to what its going to take to keep up with any real top 10 cars.Remember your not racing just other Mopars you are racing some of the badest cars out there and most are chevy and ford. Man I am glad I am just a lowly bracket car racer.Too many whiny small tire / stock this or that / real street car so called racers that want a class just their car fits into. 
If the MODS did their job I would not be hitting the notify MOD button. LOL
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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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02/04/14 06:41 PM
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Amarillo Dragway, my local track, is doing 2 lists.
1 for race cars 1/8th mile, instant green.
1 is for street cars, 1/4 mi, instant green, DOT drag radials or ET Streets only, no slicks, must be licensed & inspected.
Tech will have the final say on what class you can run.
My guess is the street class to be full of cars like mine and the ET range will be high 9's to low 11's. Should be a fun deal. I'm really looking forward to it.
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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
[Re: 1967dartgt]
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02/04/14 07:13 PM
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My slicks are ready 10.5 (acually 2 years ago I ran a 9.5 inch Toyo tire). I am the first to admit that I have nothing for you guys with deep pockets. So whats your point? My 10,000 dollar bracket car against your small tire 50,000 dollar car with all the goodies? Yea right. I will throw it back at you. Put a dial in on your car .We will bracket race best 2 out of three . I bet you can't make three times down the track and not even close to the same number. You see in my world we don't care if you have 8 inch tire or a 16 inch tire. You man up and race and if you loose you make no excuse and defently not "oh I raced on a small tire and the other guy had steam rollers".This small tire / what is a street car junk is getting old. Like I said earlier. If you have a plate on it and the cops can't give you a ticket its a street car. Don't you have to go report back to the other mopar web site?
If the MODS did their job I would not be hitting the notify MOD button. LOL
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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
[Re: slippery440]
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02/04/14 07:45 PM
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I sit here reading cry baby street car only car guys whine about what legal or not. WHO CARES. If it has a plate on it and can be driven on any state road its a street car. To bad it has round tube/square tube/front shock location /4 link/ 16 inch wide tires. Go to the track and race and if you can't keep up go home cry on the internet web sites on how unfair the race was.Thats just about what you guys do. The funny part is most don't have close to what its going to take to keep up with any real top 10 cars.Remember your not racing just other Mopars you are racing some of the badest cars out there and most are chevy and ford.
Man I am glad I am just a lowly bracket car racer.Too many whiny small tire / stock this or that / real street car so called racers that want a class just their car fits into.
holy crap I can't believe  with you 
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Re: Anybody else starting a local Top 10 list?
[Re: DaveRS23]
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02/04/14 08:40 PM
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Is this going to be at I-57?If so i might have to check this out  What day is this going down fridays?.........
Yep, I-57.
It is still all in the planning stages.
As for too many rules, the track is trying to attract more street cars. So they are trying to keep the race cars that they already have from dominating the list.
The TV show is about race cars racing on the street, while this is supposed to be street cars racing on the track.
Personally, the only rule I would like to see changed is the one where they are going to allow any suspension mods. If the suspension mods were limited to bolt on items, it would be even more of a street car theme.
Anyway, I am stoked about it. Just sounds like fun.
if they ever get any grudge events at i57 "PLEASE POST" we have a few cars around that are looking for new meat. lol thats isnt to far of a drive for us.
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