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Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck #1569057 01/26/14 05:47 PM 01/26/14 05:47 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda OP Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda OP Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington	A buddy is working on his 03 Dodge Ram 1500. 105,000 miles and get this---the brake drums have likely NEVER been removed. They are stuck to the axle flange/hub big time. He made a really nice big beafy 2 jaw puller that locates on the back lip of the drum and he sprayed wd40 on all the lugs and the hub and let sit overnight. Even used an impact on the puller. Much beating with big hammers. Tried an air hammer on it too. Heat also employed (mapp gas). He may have tried candle wax last night. Is seems the drum face to the axle flange face have firmly bonded. How would a brake shop deal with this? He's considering buying new drums and carefully and tediously cutting these off with cut off wheel.

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1569058 01/26/14 05:51 PM 01/26/14 05:51 PM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,042 colorado S savoy64 top fuel
savoy64 top fuel S Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,042 colorado	he needs to back off the star wheel on the automatic adjusters----since they dont want to back off---you will need to push a small screwdriver in to hold off the sprung bracket then turn the star wheel to release....i bet there are some pictures somewhere...

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1569059 01/26/14 05:57 PM 01/26/14 05:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,654 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,654 Hamtramck, PA	My '98 Ram was the same way. I fought the drums off & on for three days. Heat, hammers, Kroil, pullers, no dice. I ended up drilling holes in the drum & threading them for bolts.With the bolts in I just kept snugging them up to the axle flange a little at a time until they finally popped free.

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: savoy64] #1569060 01/26/14 06:00 PM 01/26/14 06:00 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda OP Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda OP Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington	Quote: he needs to back off the star wheel on the automatic adjusters----since they dont want to back off---you will need to push a small screwdriver in to hold off the sprung bracket then turn the star wheel to release....i bet there are some pictures somewhere... We discussed that, but the drums/axles rotate freely so the shoes themselves are not interfering with removal.

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: Alaskan_TA] #1569061 01/26/14 06:05 PM 01/26/14 06:05 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda OP Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda OP Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington	Quote: My '98 Ram was the same way. I fought the drums off & on for three days. Heat, hammers, Kroil, pullers, no dice. I ended up drilling holes in the drum & threading them for bolts.With the bolts in I just kept snugging them up to the axle flange a little at a time until they finally popped free. Doesn't seem like this is possible? I mean the thickness of the drum at this point is probably about 1/8 inch, with much more axle flange metal behind it. If you drill a hole it would be very hard to tap (using a bottoming tap?) ONLY the drum so that the bolt doesn't start threading into the flange??? Or am I missing something?

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1569062 01/26/14 07:03 PM 01/26/14 07:03 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,654 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,654 Hamtramck, PA	It was thicker than that for sure, I had enough meat for threading.

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: Alaskan_TA] #1569063 01/26/14 08:28 PM 01/26/14 08:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,395 The Pale Blue Dot Skeptic master
Skeptic master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,395 The Pale Blue Dot	What I would do is support the truck on jack stands, then put a floor jack so the lift pad is on the inner lip of the drum and slowly raise it up. I use this on big bus drums- make sure the shoes are as loose as possible. I'm NOT telling you what to do Blah Blah Blah www.legaldisclaimer-ect

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: savoy64] #1569064 01/26/14 08:32 PM 01/26/14 08:32 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,167 Maryland GO_Fish master
GO_Fish master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 6,167 Maryland	Quote: he needs to back off the star wheel on the automatic adjusters----since they dont want to back off---you will need to push a small screwdriver in to hold off the sprung bracket then turn the star wheel to release....i bet there are some pictures somewhere... The shoes could have worn into the drums, leaving a ridge worn where the shoe linings didn't go all the way to the edge of the drum. Manually draw the shoes in so they don't get caught on that ridge and fight you. Scott B. "I'm a self-made man... I started with nothing, and I still have most of it!" 68 360 rusty B'cuda 'vert (GO Fish)13.59@ 98.72 mph 69 340 GTS stock 14.18@ 95.60 mph 01 5.9L Ram 1500 Quad Cab 4x4 01 3.5L 300M 16.23@ 86.97 mph

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: Skeptic] #1569065 01/26/14 08:35 PM 01/26/14 08:35 PM
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65rbdodge master 6 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,920 n.e. pa.	cut off wheel on a grinder, wear safety glasses. cut a notch and break pieces away with a hammer/chisel. repeat until its all off.

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: GO_Fish] #1569066 01/26/14 08:44 PM 01/26/14 08:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,074 Niles , Ohio T therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah.
therocks oh wait.but hey.lets see.oh yeah. T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,074 Niles , Ohio	I had a lot like that.The drum centers are stuck to the axle.I usually hit them with a hammer and work them around.I wouldnt doubt that the drums also have a ridge built up toward the backing plates.Makes it almost impossible to get past the shoes even though the drums turn free.Either adjust them down or keep working them off.Ive spent over an hour trying to get drums off some at the shop.Until you get the drums to pop off the axle center you wont do much though.Hit them near the hub center and keep turning them as you hit.Rocky Chrysler Firepower

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: therocks] #1569067 01/26/14 09:16 PM 01/26/14 09:16 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,680 A Andrewh master
Andrewh master A Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,680	I don't know if the new ones have this, but the older ones have a post with a spring and retaining cap. it keeps the shoes from pulling away from the backing plate. you can pry them up and cut them from the back, so the shoes collapse when you pull on the drum, if the shoes are holding it on.

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1569068 01/26/14 09:43 PM 01/26/14 09:43 PM
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3hundred I Live Here Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 10,228 Colleyville	I've had good luck hitting the drum with the the ball end of a ball peen hammer between the lugs. It deforms the drum and breaks the rust bond. Sometimes takes a while. Robert '68 Fury Convertible '69 300 Convertible '15 Durango 5.7 Hemi '16 300 S Hemi

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1569069 01/26/14 09:46 PM 01/26/14 09:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,144 Benton, IL. D DaveRS23 Special needs idiot
DaveRS23 Special needs idiot D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,144 Benton, IL.	MAPP gas won't do it here. You need a real torch for this one. Cherry it up good and then get the BFH after the axle while pulling on the drum. Master, again and still

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: 3hundred] #1569070 01/26/14 09:46 PM 01/26/14 09:46 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda OP Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda OP Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington	Quote: I've had good luck hitting the drum with the the ball end of a ball peen hammer between the lugs. It deforms the drum and breaks the rust bond. Sometimes takes a while. Robert THATs an idea! Thank you

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: GO_Fish] #1569071 01/26/14 09:48 PM 01/26/14 09:48 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,849 Rio Linda, CA John_Kunkel Too Many Posts
John_Kunkel Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 25,849 Rio Linda, CA	Quote: The shoes could have worn into the drums, leaving a ridge worn where the shoe linings didn't go all the way to the edge of the drum. If that were the case the drum would pull off a ways and then meet spring resistance from the shoe retainer springs. The OP's is stuck to the hub and won't move any. The INTERNET, the MISinformation superhighway

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: John_Kunkel] #1569072 01/26/14 09:49 PM 01/26/14 09:49 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda OP Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda OP Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington	Quote: Quote: The shoes could have worn into the drums, leaving a ridge worn where the shoe linings didn't go all the way to the edge of the drum. If that were the case the drum would pull off a ways and then meet spring resistance from the shoe retainer springs. The OP's is stuck to the hub and won't move any. Exactly. It's NOT the shoes.

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1569073 01/26/14 10:01 PM 01/26/14 10:01 PM
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savoy64 top fuel S Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,042 colorado	then if the whole thing is rusted together you may need to drive in the lug studs then start hammering the drum into the flange to break it free....but once you knock the studs in it will be hard to rotate the drum around to work on it....

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: savoy64] #1569074 01/26/14 10:17 PM 01/26/14 10:17 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda OP Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda OP Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,830 Kirkland, Washington	Quote: then if the whole thing is rusted together you may need to drive in the lug studs then start hammering the drum into the flange to break it free....but once you knock the studs in it will be hard to rotate the drum around to work on it.... What progress does hammering in the studs perform?

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1569075 01/26/14 10:42 PM 01/26/14 10:42 PM
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skicker "The Champ" Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 5,106 Western Md.	sometimes when they're stuck its everywhere. driving the studs out releases all the area around them. Hitting the drum at the axle flange helps a ton but till you get done using the round end of the ball peen hammer between the studs more than likely the studs will be f'd up anyway. It works this way but you will beat on it a lot. If I don't have access to a rosebud that's the way I get them apart. ...FAFO...

Re: Stuck brake drums. REALLY stuck [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #1569076 01/26/14 10:44 PM 01/26/14 10:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,042 colorado S savoy64 top fuel
savoy64 top fuel S Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,042 colorado	one less rusted surface---if the rust is plated between the drum and flange i would figure there is rust built up between the studs and the holes in drums---knock out 8 studs = more possibility of things wiggling around----and yes i have done it to units at the junkyard... Last edited by savoy64; 01/26/14 10:45 PM.

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