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Re: Mark stielow Camaro vs tim werners valiant
[Re: kotacars]
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01/27/14 07:16 PM
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I don t doubt that this car will be a whole lot of fun to drive but if this is a new build why start with leaf springs why not develop some type of road race 4 link?
Simple reasons really...
1) I don't think it's necessary.
2) I don't want to pay for it, new developments aren't free.
3) It's much more fun to beat people and say I still have leaf springs.
Being the underdog is much more fun and a lot more rewarding to me.
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Re: Mark stielow Camaro vs tim werners valiant
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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01/27/14 08:57 PM
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I think the biggest point that a lot of folks miss with Stielow's cars is that they are "true" cars as well. Tunes, heater, A/C, power options, traction control, ABS, ect. All this stuff adds up to a car that is not just fast, but does real car stuff. To top that off, he is a suspension engineer for GM and gets a lot of cool stuff to play with on his cars.
So until we have a suspension engineer who has worked at Chrysler for any extended amount of time to have access to piles of cutting edge technology, has built 15 up to date and modern designed set ups stuffed under a classic mopar, and then flogged said cars under the noses of the press, there flat out is not a mopar out there on the same level.
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Re: Mark stielow Camaro vs tim werners valiant
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01/27/14 09:02 PM
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I think the biggest point that a lot of folks miss with Stielow's cars is that they are "true" cars as well. Tunes, heater, A/C, power options, traction control, ABS, ect. All this stuff adds up to a car that is not just fast, but does real car stuff. To top that off, he is a suspension engineer for GM and gets a lot of cool stuff to play with on his cars.
So until we have a suspension engineer who has worked at Chrysler for any extended amount of time to have access to piles of cutting edge technology, has built 15 up to date and modern designed set ups stuffed under a classic mopar, and then flogged said cars under the noses of the press, there flat out is not a mopar out there on the same level.
Geeze... Give me some time. I'm working on it...  Kidding. 
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Re: Mark stielow Camaro vs tim werners valiant
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01/27/14 09:04 PM
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I don't understand the whole point of this Mopar VS Stielow thing.
If you took an old Mopar and threw away everything except the firewall and half the floor you could build the exact same thing Stielow built and end up with the same result.
A Gen 3 will make the same power as the Red thing, the T56 is a Viper spec transmission, custom pick up points for the suspension can be built, and a one-off chassis can be made.
Now that you've pulled a NASCAR thing and thrown away everything except for the name on the car what do you have to prove?
We are brothers and sisters doing time on the planet for better or worse. I'll take the better, if you don't mind.
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Re: Mark stielow Camaro vs tim werners valiant
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01/27/14 09:08 PM
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Don't forget that Kyle and Stacy Tucker (dse) are also ex GM engineers. It's like one big happy Chevy family over there. And we get to purchase some leftover 6.1 parts to put on our 5.7 Challengers and become members of the Scat Pack lol. What a complete joke....
Mopar to the bone!!!
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Re: Mark stielow Camaro vs tim werners valiant
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01/27/14 09:49 PM
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I don't understand the whole point of this Mopar VS Stielow thing.
If you took an old Mopar and threw away everything except the firewall and half the floor you could build the exact same thing Stielow built and end up with the same result.
A Gen 3 will make the same power as the Red thing, the T56 is a Viper spec transmission, custom pick up points for the suspension can be built, and a one-off chassis can be made.
Now that you've pulled a NASCAR thing and thrown away everything except for the name on the car what do you have to prove?
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Stielow built cars are amazing.
So this weekend I outran a ZL1 Camaro along with a few supercars. Does that put my 'stock suspension' mopar on par with the Stielow built car?
What events do the Stielow Camaro's usually run in? Preferably long road courses and near Houston, TX. I'll go line up and give you a baseline.
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-'73 Duster, 6.1 based 392 hilborn hemi, tko600, full floater rear 9", Hellwig custom bars, viper brakes, built for road course
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Re: Mark stielow Camaro vs tim werners valiant
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01/27/14 09:52 PM
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I don't understand the whole point of this Mopar VS Stielow thing.
If you took an old Mopar and threw away everything except the firewall and half the floor you could build the exact same thing Stielow built and end up with the same result.
A Gen 3 will make the same power as the Red thing, the T56 is a Viper spec transmission, custom pick up points for the suspension can be built, and a one-off chassis can be made.
Now that you've pulled a NASCAR thing and thrown away everything except for the name on the car what do you have to prove?
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Stielow built cars are amazing.
So this weekend I outran a ZL1 Camaro along with a few supercars. Does that put my 'stock suspension' mopar on par with the Stielow built car?
What events do the Stielow Camaro's usually run in? Preferably long road courses and near Houston, TX. I'll go line up and give you a baseline.
please do!!
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Re: Mark stielow Camaro vs tim werners valiant
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01/27/14 10:54 PM
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Dan, I've got the perfect car sitting beside my house to cut on (popular body style, too...67 Barracuda fastback), but my son can't afford that sort of "investment". The car spent a lot of its life as a drag car that we went autocrossing in after throwing some suspension at it. All of this with a big block (all iron 383 except intake), four speed, and streetable 3.55 gears. We were competitive except against the real well-sorted cars with more power...in CP...
Very cool! Ever take it to Nationals?
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Re: Mark stielow Camaro vs tim werners valiant
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01/27/14 11:31 PM
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I don t doubt that this car will be a whole lot of fun to drive but if this is a new build why start with leaf springs why not develop some type of road race 4 link?
Simple reasons really...
1) I don't think it's necessary.
2) I don't want to pay for it, new developments aren't free.
3) It's much more fun to beat people and say I still have leaf springs.
Being the underdog is much more fun and a lot more rewarding to me.
Hey Kevin...which car is faster on the track your taxi or E-bergs green brick?
Last edited by 67autocross; 01/27/14 11:31 PM.
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Re: Mark stielow Camaro vs tim werners valiant
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01/27/14 11:39 PM
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I don't understand the whole point of this Mopar VS Stielow thing.
If you took an old Mopar and threw away everything except the firewall and half the floor you could build the exact same thing Stielow built and end up with the same result.
A Gen 3 will make the same power as the Red thing, the T56 is a Viper spec transmission, custom pick up points for the suspension can be built, and a one-off chassis can be made.
Now that you've pulled a NASCAR thing and thrown away everything except for the name on the car what do you have to prove?
The only thing this thread is accomplishing is reminding me why I try not to comment on forums.
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Re: Mark stielow Camaro vs tim werners valiant
[Re: 67autocross]
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01/27/14 11:50 PM
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Hey Kevin...which car is faster on the track your taxi or E-bergs green brick?
In the Bricks last state, I would say just about a dead heat. With the new 6.4 and some basic updates coming, Brick will be faster.
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Re: Mark stielow Camaro vs tim werners valiant
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01/28/14 12:09 AM
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Thanks for posting Kevin. Your input is greatly appreciated. Really appreciate your experienced perspective.
Thanks, glad it's helping somebody.
Nice to see you are actually making it to events as well. If more people would just run their cars a lot of these debates would just die off.
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Re: Mark stielow Camaro vs tim werners valiant
[Re: Dan@Hotchkis]
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01/28/14 12:20 AM
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Dan, I've got the perfect car sitting beside my house to cut on (popular body style, too...67 Barracuda fastback), but my son can't afford that sort of "investment". The car spent a lot of its life as a drag car that we went autocrossing in after throwing some suspension at it. All of this with a big block (all iron 383 except intake), four speed, and streetable 3.55 gears. We were competitive except against the real well-sorted cars with more power...in CP...
Very cool! Ever take it to Nationals?
Nope, used to run it at Castle Air Base in 01-02. The 383 was pretty mild (probably not much more than 350hp), but it worked well enough to post respectable times running on Nascar slicks (we couldn't afford autocross tires). The car has been cut up pretty good. Alan still plans on running a big block (stroked 400 - we've got a standard bore 72 block in the garage), but anything is possible with enough money. The good thing about this car is that it left the factory with a slant and has been hacked on some and then hacked on some more.
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